Re: Sam Lisone : Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:45 pm  

Mary Millington wrote:

Holmes isn't a bad player but not what we need right now. He's in the 30 club and we need younger legs in that back row.
Shame the appointment of the new coach came too late to save two of our younger members of the pack. If they knew Mash was getting the top job......they wouldn't have moved on.

Not true.

Re: Sam Lisone : Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:36 am  

jonh wrote:

Not true.

Very little on here is, but you have to admire the conviction with which it’s said. I think some are so deluded they actually believe it themselves.

Alway best to start with IMO, in my opinion.

Re: Sam Lisone : Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:50 am  

vastman wrote:

Very little on here is, but you have to admire the conviction with which it’s said. I think some are so deluded they actually believe it themselves.

Alway best to start with IMO, in my opinion.

The rest of us would also add an H.

Re: Sam Lisone : Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:57 am  

Lisone although I don’t know much about him seems like a impact bench player from the few highlights.

Seems to run it in hard and do some relatively short stints though his tackle % success is quite high so appears he can defend. If that’s what Mash is after then he will probably go well.

If he’s after a Dave type player who can do 50-60 a game when required and offer an offload game then it may not be what we are looking for. (Admittedly this is from the very few stats and short video/a I saw).

Wouldn’t surprise me if we were looking at 2 props and a second row or loose having 3 quota spots free we have that flexibility. There’s likely many conversations going on,

Re: Sam Lisone : Sat Oct 08, 2022 4:49 pm  

[quote="Trojan Horse"]Lyne will ship Murphy in for loads of try’s .

Shaul wouldn’t make a massive difference at all imo. We’d lose some attacking prowess but probably get a bit more in defence. Jowitt was showing glimpses he was working on this to the back end of the season pulling players into the right areas.

Id support Shaul if he comes but Max is the future at full back and will be at Shauls age a better player imo all round.[/quote]

I’m sure you are right about Lynne supplying to Murphy

Lynne plays the left (Tafuas side) and Murphy in his debut season has played the right

So not sure they’d be together
Will have to see

Regardless though our outside back situation looks great

Very much disagree re shaul think he was one of the prime reasons our season was turned around

I like max but there’s a reason other players keep getting in front of him sadly

Re: Sam Lisone : Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:17 pm  

Regarding Shaul I believe we won 2 with him at full back but we also won 2 with Jowitt and still looked impressive. I think it was to do more with a combined effort of the team who found something to motivate them all rather than the full back.

Both Shaul and Jowitt looked good in their 2/3 games each at back end but the team was on the front foot and playing some good stuff in attack and defence.

Shaul certainly wasn’t one of the main reasons. I believe Miller and in general the players had a shift in motivations and effort across the board.

That’s not to say Shaul wasn’t good. He was good for us. But Mac was also good back end and I’d rather invest in another area first loose/second row or prop then see if we’ve anything left for a Shaul.

I’ll happily support Shaul or Jowitt and both are good. Jowitt is the future though and I suppose we will see as signings are announced.

Re: Sam Lisone : Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:17 pm  

Much like a GK in football, if they're a bit shaky the whole team look jittery. Whilst he did well when he played, he looks very suspect under a bomb, and it put us off against Catalans when he dropped that early ball. Jowitt, I don't believe I have ever seen him drop one. No matter the pressure or kick, or indeed weather, he taking most of those.

[PopTart]

Re: Sam Lisone : Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:06 pm  

Khlav Kalash wrote:

Much like a GK in football, if they're a bit shaky the whole team look jittery. Whilst he did well when he played, he looks very suspect under a bomb, and it put us off against Catalans when he dropped that early ball. Jowitt, I don't believe I have ever seen him drop one. No matter the pressure or kick, or indeed weather, he taking most of those.

You are right about Max. He inspires confidence when taking a high kick.
However, for me, he doesn't inspire confidence when managing the defensive line. It's his only flaw really but its a big one.
Shaul is great at managing he defense. That's why he's valuable.

Re: Sam Lisone : Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:27 pm  

PopTart wrote:

You are right about Max. He inspires confidence when taking a high kick.
However, for me, he doesn't inspire confidence when managing the defensive line. It's his only flaw really but its a big one.
Shaul is great at managing he defense. That's why he's valuable.

He did exactly that though in the games towards back end of the season. Watch on trinity tv if you want. You will see him pulling players into gaps and pushing the line out etc. Hes not bad at it but it’s clear he’s making improvements in it.

Shaul at Jowitts age wasn’t a defensive player and was an off the cuff attacker I seem to recall. It’s probably the last part of a full backs game developed in their late 20/early 30s. Jowitts soon to enter those years.

Plus Jowitt is much better in joining the line and creating try scoring opportunities and fielding kicks than Shaul is.

I’d support either but I’d rather we invested in other positions first.

Re: Sam Lisone : Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:21 am  

Mary Millington wrote:

Holmes isn't a bad player but not what we need right now. He's in the 30 club and we need younger legs in that back row.

IMHO he’d be a decent signing if it doesn’t cost Trinity too much. Has some ability (but had a poor last season) and at least another 2-3 years left in him with something to prove (type of player Trinity pick up).