Re: Where do we go from here : Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:22 pm  

ArthurClues wrote:

It's obvious that we're on opposing sides of the fence, but one thing I would acknowledge is that Smith needs to show the ability to adapt and not flinch from the more pragmatic/cynical side of the game. Otherwise sides will just capitalise on his corinthian approach. Of course that won't address the fundamental problem, that being that the players in our spine positions just aren't collectively good enough. I believe what he achieved (with a rabble) last season has earned him the right to address that.

Our 1, 6 & 7 collectively aren't at top 3 level - yes if they all play well they can look good, but the 6&7 especially just have never got any cinsistency, I actually like Austin and I think this year he has stepped up but Sezer has just been a total flop, between inconsistent performances and injuries its just not been good enough.

Re: Where do we go from here : Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:27 pm  

Pretty much spot on.

Our organisation, leadership, game control and structure have suffered.

Re: Where do we go from here : Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:49 pm  

We can't play to a system because we only have one halfback who can control a game in Sezer, and he doesn't play consistently well enough. None of our other options has a clue how to manage a game, except maybe Sinfield, who's still an absolute tyro.

We could get away with that a bit more if our 9 was more of a playmaker, but O'Connor's still learning and is more of a workhorse than anything. We could also maybe get away with it if Myler didn't dissolve into mush every single time he's needed to act as a halfback, which at his age and with his experience ought to be an easy move, but like Sutcliffe he turns to jelly when he's needed to stand up and lead the team rather than be a support act.

Until we get our 1,6, and 7 sorted we'll continue to be hot and cold, and our best just won't be good enough.

Re: Where do we go from here : Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:54 pm  

Once were Loiners wrote:

We can't play to a system because we only have one halfback who can control a game in Sezer, and he doesn't play consistently well enough. None of our other options has a clue how to manage a game, except maybe Sinfield, who's still an absolute tyro.

We could get away with that a bit more if our 9 was more of a playmaker, but O'Connor's still learning and is more of a workhorse than anything. We could also maybe get away with it if Myler didn't dissolve into mush every single time he's needed to act as a halfback, which at his age and with his experience ought to be an easy move, but like Sutcliffe he turns to jelly when he's needed to stand up and lead the team rather than be a support act.

Until we get our 1,6, and 7 sorted we'll continue to be hot and cold, and our best just won't be good enough.

Is Luke Brooks an organiser/playmaker? (I haven't watched much NRL in the recent years) I think there may be something in the rumours TBH

Re: Where do we go from here : Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:11 pm  

christopher wrote:

Is Luke Brooks an organiser/playmaker? (I haven't watched much NRL in the recent years) I think there may be something in the rumours TBH

I would say he’s at his best as running half back (something we also really need) but his organizational ability is better than either Sezer or Austin. Hard to compare SL and NRL half backs. What looks average in OZ tends to be MOS stuff over here.

Re: Where do we go from here : Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:30 pm  

ArthurClues wrote:

I would say he’s at his best as running half back (something we also really need) but his organizational ability is better than either Sezer or Austin. Hard to compare SL and NRL half backs. What looks average in OZ tends to be MOS stuff over here.

Rohan has mentioned before he like running halfbacks so maybe he is targeting him

Re: Where do we go from here : Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:39 pm  

[quote="ArthurClues"]It's obvious that we're on opposing sides of the fence, but one thing I would acknowledge is that Smith needs to show the ability to adapt and not flinch from the more pragmatic/cynical side of the game. Otherwise sides will just capitalise on his corinthian approach. Of course that won't address the fundamental problem, that being that the players in our spine positions just aren't collectively good enough. I believe what he achieved (with a rabble) last season has earned him the right to address that.[/quote]


actually I agree with you. I'm just not sure hd will change to do the dirty stuff that you have to do

Re: Where do we go from here : Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:32 pm  

christopher wrote:

Our 1, 6 & 7 collectively aren't at top 3 level - yes if they all play well they can look good, but the 6&7 especially just have never got any cinsistency, I actually like Austin and I think this year he has stepped up but Sezer has just been a total flop, between inconsistent performances and injuries its just not been good enough.

I agree, especially on Austin. He's been very good this year and will be a miss if he does indeed leave. Sezer - the least said the better.

Re: Where do we go from here : Tue Jun 06, 2023 11:09 am  

We need to push the boat out and get a qualified director of rugby to takeover from GH. Watching GH constantly trying to put out the fires he's caused got boring about 6 years ago. We literally can not move forward with him making the decisions because his hit rate is so poor. It's very similar to Orta at Leeds, there's only so long the club can outrun so many poor decisions.

Re: Where do we go from here : Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:22 pm  

Smith today said if there's anything in the Luke Brooks rumours he knows nothing about it!,also we are keeping some of our overseas/ooc players and by the sounds of it he's pinning his hope's on Fusitua to turn the season around!