Re: Millionaire N London Barrister leads Labour : Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:27 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

That two words you would never associate with Johnson “open and honest”. He is without doubt the most dishonest and untrustworthy member of Parliament and he is up against a lot of competition. I suppose if this is the type of person you want to run the country then you are more gullible than I thought and believe me I thought you were gullible.

I completely agree about Johnson but he is no worse than the likes of McDonald - who is brags about being a Marxist until it comes to the GE and all of a sudden he is Socialist!! At least he doesn't possess the hypocritical views of the Labour top brass - especially on education.

Re: Millionaire N London Barrister leads Labour : Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:36 am  

Johnson is neck and neck with Thatcher when it comes to being the most destructive and devisive of PMs. However, Johnson has achieved this accolade in just 6 months and his worst is yet to come.

Re: Millionaire N London Barrister leads Labour : Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:20 am  

silver2 wrote:

Johnson is neck and neck with Thatcher when it comes to being the most destructive and devisive of PMs. However, Johnson has achieved this accolade in just 6 months and his worst is yet to come.

Thatcher inherited a situation whereby the unions held sway over the government - we had a host of under performing public sector industries - something needed to be done.

What has Johnson done - he has tried to manage a global pandemic - not as well as he could have - he has delivered Brexit as was voted for - not sure what else he has done wrong?

[Mild Rover]

Re: Millionaire N London Barrister leads Labour : Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:07 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote: Thatcher inherited a situation whereby the unions held sway over the government - we had a host of under performing public sector industries - something needed to be done. What has Johnson done - he has tried to manage a global pandemic - not as well as he could have - he has delivered Brexit as was voted for - not sure what else he has done wrong? My main complaints include his reneging on the elements of the Brexit deal that were moved to the political declaration. In fairness, everybody knew he was going to do this because 1. Why ask for them to be moved if you intend to adhere to them? and 2. He’s hardly renowned as a man of his word. This meant the oven ready deal went in the bin and, because he refused to buy time because of COVID, we’re seemingly heading for a no prep no deal, in which all the Yellowhammer perils look set to manifest. Slightly reassuringly from my perspective, there seems to be some agitation amongst supercore Brexiteers that the UK Government is about to compromise to secure some sort of deal and is just working out how to present it to people like them - so we’ll see. I’ve seen nowt to suggest it in the media I trust though. There was also that time he wazzed away several £ billions net from the EIB, because... he’s a bit clumsy and forgetful... or desperate and holding no metaphorical cards, perhaps. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-g ... -tq0qskgfc https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... say-lords/

Sal Paradise wrote: Thatcher inherited a situation whereby the unions held sway over the government - we had a host of under performing public sector industries - something needed to be done. What has Johnson done - he has tried to manage a global pandemic - not as well as he could have - he has delivered Brexit as was voted for - not sure what else he has done wrong? My main complaints include his reneging on the elements of the Brexit deal that were moved to the political declaration. In fairness, everybody knew he was going to do this because 1. Why ask for them to be moved if you intend to adhere to them? and 2. He’s hardly renowned as a man of his word. This meant the oven ready deal went in the bin and, because he refused to buy time because of COVID, we’re seemingly heading for a no prep no deal, in which all the Yellowhammer perils look set to manifest. Slightly reassuringly from my perspective, there seems to be some agitation amongst supercore Brexiteers that the UK Government is about to compromise to secure some sort of deal and is just working out how to present it to people like them - so we’ll see. I’ve seen nowt to suggest it in the media I trust though. There was also that time he wazzed away several £ billions net from the EIB, because... he’s a bit clumsy and forgetful... or desperate and holding no metaphorical cards, perhaps. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-g ... -tq0qskgfc https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... say-lords/

Re: Millionaire N London Barrister leads Labour : Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:55 pm  

Mild Rover wrote: My main complaints include his reneging on the elements of the Brexit deal that were moved to the political declaration. In fairness, everybody knew he was going to do this because 1. Why ask for them to be moved if you intend to adhere to them? and 2. He’s hardly renowned as a man of his word. This meant the oven ready deal went in the bin and, because he refused to buy time because of COVID, we’re seemingly heading for a no prep no deal, in which all the Yellowhammer perils look set to manifest. Slightly reassuringly from my perspective, there seems to be some agitation amongst supercore Brexiteers that the UK Government is about to compromise to secure some sort of deal and is just working out how to present it to people like them - so we’ll see. I’ve seen nowt to suggest it in the media I trust though. There was also that time he wazzed away several £ billions net from the EIB, because... he’s a bit clumsy and forgetful... or desperate and holding no metaphorical cards, perhaps. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-g ... -tq0qskgfc https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... say-lords/ Stevie Wonder could see what was coming - why would the EU give us preferential terms? It seems they want all the control and we have to do as they say e.g. fishing, ECJ, state aid. There is one silver lining - we escaped a series bullet in respect of the costs associated with EU Covid bail out - £55bn I read somewhere. A no deal Brexit was the only logical outcome - clean split.

Mild Rover wrote: My main complaints include his reneging on the elements of the Brexit deal that were moved to the political declaration. In fairness, everybody knew he was going to do this because 1. Why ask for them to be moved if you intend to adhere to them? and 2. He’s hardly renowned as a man of his word. This meant the oven ready deal went in the bin and, because he refused to buy time because of COVID, we’re seemingly heading for a no prep no deal, in which all the Yellowhammer perils look set to manifest. Slightly reassuringly from my perspective, there seems to be some agitation amongst supercore Brexiteers that the UK Government is about to compromise to secure some sort of deal and is just working out how to present it to people like them - so we’ll see. I’ve seen nowt to suggest it in the media I trust though. There was also that time he wazzed away several £ billions net from the EIB, because... he’s a bit clumsy and forgetful... or desperate and holding no metaphorical cards, perhaps. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-g ... -tq0qskgfc https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... say-lords/ Stevie Wonder could see what was coming - why would the EU give us preferential terms? It seems they want all the control and we have to do as they say e.g. fishing, ECJ, state aid. There is one silver lining - we escaped a series bullet in respect of the costs associated with EU Covid bail out - £55bn I read somewhere. A no deal Brexit was the only logical outcome - clean split.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Millionaire N London Barrister leads Labour : Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:49 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Stevie Wonder could see what was coming - why would the EU give us preferential terms? It seems they want all the control and we have to do as they say e.g. fishing, ECJ, state aid. There is one silver lining - we escaped a series bullet in respect of the costs associated with EU Covid bail out - £55bn I read somewhere. A no deal Brexit was the only logical outcome - clean split.

Perhaps. Doesn’t excuse the lack of preparation though. I’m happy to make allowances for COVID - but if this was obvious (and I agree it was, once Johnson won his big majority), they could have started getting ready for the no deal, while the pointless pretend negotiations were ongoing.

My worry is the Cummings-Gove-Johnson troika don’t know the answers, but have possibly worked out that there aren’t any good ones they can come with in the time available and are just hoping it is the millennium bug all over again. Confidence and optimism - they have their place, but they’re not really a substitute for plans and action.

Re: Millionaire N London Barrister leads Labour : Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:13 pm  

oh dear, lunatic left still bleating, makes me sad to be English that these old ideas still have any support. If you don't like it, clear off to Cuba or Venezuela, socialism is a hoot there, honest.

Re: Millionaire N London Barrister leads Labour : Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:46 pm  

IR80 wrote:

oh dear, lunatic left still bleating, makes me sad to be English that these old ideas still have any support. If you don't like it, clear off to Cuba or Venezuela, socialism is a hoot there, honest.

It’s actually quite funny reading their posts. They actually think the Labour Party are a serious political party? The harsh reality is they are now a laughing stock as evident by the last election.

The tories don’t even need to do anything to get re elected because the champagne socialist party are an embarrassment lmao

Re: Millionaire N London Barrister leads Labour : Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:19 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

Perhaps. Doesn’t excuse the lack of preparation though. I’m happy to make allowances for COVID - but if this was obvious (and I agree it was, once Johnson won his big majority), they could have started getting ready for the no deal, while the pointless pretend negotiations were ongoing.

My worry is the Cummings-Gove-Johnson troika don’t know the answers, but have possibly worked out that there aren’t any good ones they can come with in the time available and are just hoping it is the millennium bug all over again. Confidence and optimism - they have their place, but they’re not really a substitute for plans and action.

We don't know what planning has been done - one thing is certain it will be more than we know/think.

You don't have to be a genius to know what is needed - there are plenty of countries that trade with the EU on WTO terms.

Re: Millionaire N London Barrister leads Labour : Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:02 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

We don't know what planning has been done - one thing is certain it will be more than we know/think.

You don't have to be a genius to know what is needed - there are plenty of countries that trade with the EU on WTO terms.

Can you name any for whom the EU is by far their largest export market?

Meanwhile given the slow pace of negotiations of other deals, the large majority of all our other trade is going to be on a WTO basis as well. Which significant countries trade on an almost entirely WTO basis?