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Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:02 pm  
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Difference being that Atkin played on and completed the game. Sezer was knocked out cold and now misses a Grand Final. Is it right that the original decision was to only give Bateman one extra game than Knowles?

Your right. Bateman shouldn't have got more in the first place as it was careless rather than intentional.
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:09 pm  
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So he's trying to slow a PTB (a professional foul) not trying to hurt a player, doesn't move his arm into a dangerous position, it's acknowledged there is no unacceptable risk of injury. But he should be banned for two matches on top of a yellow card?


Jesus H Christ FTV! Why don't we just give him an award for not actually injuring someone! That above paragraph is the single biggest load of boll0cks I've ever had the displeasure to read on here. Well done.
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:21 pm  
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Jesus H Christ FTV! Why don't we just give him an award for not actually injuring someone! That above paragraph is the single biggest load of boll0cks I've ever had the displeasure to read on here. Well done.


Can you imagine the outcry on redvee if Smithies had done that to Welsby or Lomax?

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Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:32 pm  
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Jesus H Christ FTV! Why don't we just give him an award for not actually injuring someone! That above paragraph is the single biggest load of boll0cks I've ever had the displeasure to read on here. Well done.


I think you've just taken that accolade with your reply to my post above.

So you think Bateman should've received less games than Knowles?
Atkin played on after the incident, didn't even go off for treatment, actually milked it with his swan dive at the end.
Sezer was knocked clean out and now misses the biggest game of the season.

Wow. Just wow.
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:43 pm  
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Can you imagine the outcry on redvee if Smithies had done that to Welsby or Lomax?

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i've been having this argument with some saints fans on facebook,started off with a former work colleague who was kicking off that Knowles had been banned and that everyone else was having a go

my simple question, and given he uses all the or similar terms to what you have commented above was - if that was McIllorum, Smithies or Partington would you be all over FB claiming that they were **insert here** and should be banned for x number of games, but he was actually trying to condone what Knowles has done as being acceptable, so i just said you have gone right down in my estimation.

The other posters arguing with me wouldnt accept that Wigan or any other team in the league had injuries - only Saints, to the point that it is the only reason they lost any games and the challenge cup semi final cos Wigan were at full strength :) :) and they werent as they would have beat us easily - so i just gave up p*ssing into a strong headwind as it was like talking to dumb and dumber and dumberer :) :)
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:53 pm  
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i've been having this argument with some saints fans on facebook,started off with a former work colleague who was kicking off that Knowles had been banned and that everyone else was having a go

my simple question, and given he uses all the or similar terms to what you have commented above was - if that was McIllorum, Smithies or Partington would you be all over FB claiming that they were **insert here** and should be banned for x number of games, but he was actually trying to condone what Knowles has done as being acceptable, so i just said you have gone right down in my estimation.

The other posters arguing with me wouldnt accept that Wigan or any other team in the league had injuries - only Saints, to the point that it is the only reason they lost any games and the challenge cup semi final cos Wigan were at full strength :) :) and they werent as they would have beat us easily - so i just gave up p*ssing into a strong headwind as it was like talking to dumb and dumber and dumberer :) :)



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Surely we can't have another year like this re injuries, if we can keep our main 1 to 13 on the pitch there's not going to be anyone to get near us.


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Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:17 pm  
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They're potentially correct - new coach depending.

Like it or not, but their 1-17 is the best in the league. They currently do most things better than most sides and are the benchmark. There has been some luck to it, but if they win tomorrow then there's no doubting that 4 GF wins in a row is a superb achievement.

The reason why everyone is calling them out on the injuries (well certainly why I am) is because at the start of the season they claimed that they had the best squad and that nobody could touch their squad. Nobody gets in their side from any other club. The second they got a few injuries the injuries card came flying out the wallet faster than Field and French.

The facts are - they have a better 1-17 than most and a better squad than most which is why they've finished top and why they will probably win the GF.

Their seemingly strange obsession with everyone congratulating them and bowing down to them and re-writing history is a tad strange though. Has a little bit of "Liverpool" about it. They've built tomorrow up that a win makes them the greatest side ever because of all of the injuries, but a defeat was tough on them because they had injuries and should be the greatest side ever.
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:22 pm  
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Egg Chasing wrote:
They're potentially correct - new coach depending.

Like it or not, but their 1-17 is the best in the league. They currently do most things better than most sides and are the benchmark. There has been some luck to it, but if they win tomorrow then there's no doubting that 4 GF wins in a row is a superb achievement.

The reason why everyone is calling them out on the injuries (well certainly why I am) is because at the start of the season they claimed that they had the best squad and that nobody could touch their squad. Nobody gets in their side from any other club. The second they got a few injuries the injuries card came flying out the wallet faster than Field and French.

The facts are - they have a better 1-17 than most and a better squad than most which is why they've finished top and why they will probably win the GF.

Their seemingly strange obsession with everyone congratulating them and bowing down to them and re-writing history is a tad strange though. Has a little bit of "Liverpool" about it. They've built tomorrow up that a win makes them the greatest side ever because of all of the injuries, but a defeat was tough on them because they had injuries and should be the greatest side ever.


In the main this is a very good post.

However there is a difference between wanting people to bow down to us (in your words) and actually being respectful and recognising the achivements. When Wigan fans throw COVID as excuses whilst we won or any other excuses that they use then naturally that becomes very annoying and a reason why we (well I certainly do) become very defensive.
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:26 pm  
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Stu M wrote:
In the main this is a very good post.

However there is a difference between wanting people to bow down to us (in your words) and actually being respectful and recognising the achivements. When Wigan fans throw COVID as excuses whilst we won or any other excuses that they use then naturally that becomes very annoying and a reason why we (well I certainly do) become very defensive.


Appreciate that, and when people throw full time, most money, bought the league etc at us rather than acknowledge how good we were....we get defensive.

I said something a few weeks ago.........swap Wigan for St Helens the last 3 seasons (or at least 2) and we have the COVID card and playing less games than everyone else thrown at us by everyone involved in the game.......including Sky commentators. It literally happens every time we mention our history.
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:28 pm  
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Appreciate that, and when people throw full time, most money, bought the league etc at us rather than acknowledge how good we were....we get defensive


Yes I agree and understand why you get defensive

And fair point that you would have the same accusations. Annoying isn't it :wink:
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