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| Mostly agree with you Pat, with a few tweaks. Jowitt is the next best British fullback IMO, so it’ll be really interesting to see where Wane goes. It’s the one position England are light on.
Brimson is probably the most likely slot in, which is a shame. And Wane famously doesn’t like picking players unless they’re extremely proud to wear the badge - and that’s Brimson’s test. He’s played Origin, and (I think) one rep match, so he’s ahead of Jowitt in terms of big game experience. He’s more likely to come up with a big moment too. However, I genuinely believe Jowitt is a better all round full back than Brimson, and it’s a massive shame he won’t have a mid-season international to prove it, because I’m positive he would have got a shot.
My team would be: Brimson/Jowitt, Johnstone, Farnworth, Wardle, Young, Williams, Smith, McMeeken, O’Neill, Thompson, Pearce-Paul, Nsemba, Radley. Walker, Havard, Lees, Knowles.
And in reserve I’d have Jowitt, Newman, Lewis, Delaney, Litten, Nicholson, Smithies.
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| JamieRobinson1234:
AJ Brimson is the fourth best full back at the worst side in the NRL, the fact he’s even within a sniff of our international side is a joke.
I’m not a fan of the ‘established’ Aussies suddenly choosing to play for England because they can’t get a spot in their own national side.
We’re a tier 1 nation, I’d much rather try Pryce / Connor / Lewis at full back than AJ Brimson - who in turn has only played full back 5 times in the past 2 seasons.
My obvious shout is also Max, but I feel the bias is high on this forum! Hopefully Truey can get back anytime soon so Jow gets more airtime in the number 1 jersey this season
Bias? You must be a Cas fan! For me, the Brimson story sheds light on the fact that fans way overrate average NRL players. It’s true, the best of the NRL are the best in the world, the second best in the NRL are probably the second best in the world, but after that it’s level with the top of Super League. We see that when we play the pacific nations. But the presentation and the hype makes it seem like they’re freaks of nature. Following from that, Jowitt is still criminally underrated. A few of us called it before the season started and fans of other clubs laughed. Is it because he doesn’t look the part? Is it because he came with us to the Championship? Is it because he didn’t burst onto the scene like some players did? Now, for me, he’s next FB in line. But I can totally understand why Wane would go with Lewis there, with no warm up game.
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| Butcher:JamieRobinson1234:
AJ Brimson is the fourth best full back at the worst side in the NRL, the fact he’s even within a sniff of our international side is a joke.
I’m not a fan of the ‘established’ Aussies suddenly choosing to play for England because they can’t get a spot in their own national side.
We’re a tier 1 nation, I’d much rather try Pryce / Connor / Lewis at full back than AJ Brimson - who in turn has only played full back 5 times in the past 2 seasons.
My obvious shout is also Max, but I feel the bias is high on this forum! Hopefully Truey can get back anytime soon so Jow gets more airtime in the number 1 jersey this season
Bias? You must be a Cas fan! For me, the Brimson story sheds light on the fact that fans way overrate average NRL players. It’s true, the best of the NRL are the best in the world, the second best in the NRL are probably the second best in the world, but after that it’s level with the top of Super League. We see that when we play the pacific nations. But the presentation and the hype makes it seem like they’re freaks of nature. Following from that, Jowitt is still criminally underrated. A few of us called it before the season started and fans of other clubs laughed. Is it because he doesn’t look the part? Is it because he came with us to the Championship? Is it because he didn’t burst onto the scene like some players did? Now, for me, he’s next FB in line. But I can totally understand why Wane would go with Lewis there, with no warm up game. I'm not sure about bias, but I do think fans of other clubs criminally underrate him, and then we have to press his case to make up for other fans who don't watch him that much. I'm also unsure why they do, he excels in all aspects of playing Fullback imo. He's quick enough, he organises the defensive line well, he makes tries for others and also scores tries, he's great under the high ball, his one-on-one tackling is good, and he's also a very good goal kicker. He's just become so consistently good and rarely makes mistakes. Maybe the fact he's good everywhere is his undoing, rather than say have blistering pace and makes loads of yards but lacks in defensive areas and the high ball. If Jowitt played for England, I'd be confident he'd do a great job for us and he'd rarely make a mistake. Ateotd, these last few years, he's grown into the player we all thought he would all those years ago, when he burst onto the scene and won the Albert Goldthorpe Rookie of the Year in SL in 2016. Then we bought Grix, which in hindsight got in the way of his development and probably his confidence for a few years, but he's 28 now and playing his best RL in his prime years.
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| I think when it comes to the FB position, Welsby is a different gravy to any of the other players, including Max. I feel Welsby will be given all the time needed to be the number 1 for England in the Ashes.
As much as I like Max, I feel every other 1 in the county or player eyeing up that position is a distant second to Welsby, especially at the most elite level. A level Welsby has played and performed on multiple times and actually captained us.
That being said, for me Jowitt deserves a place in the Squad on current form, he’s been the 2nd best English FB in SL. The experience would obviously be amazing for him.
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| Pat_Bateman:Trojan Horse:
Connor isn’t as effective at full back as could be seen in the second half last week when he switched there. He lacks the agility for it.
As for Pryce he’s not consistent enough in his performances and still has a lot to prove. He’s only getting mentioned at full back after a game that he had two break away tries vs some incredibly poor defence.
If you’re asking who’s the better full back it’s definitely Max.
Connor seems to be playing well in the halves though.
Knowing Wane he will put Lewis at full back. It irks me that he doesn’t play 9 all year and then Wane throws him in at 9 just to get him on the pitch when there’s a few good 9 options like Litten.
Connor is a defensive liability and way too slow to play FB against Aus. Imagine Cleary bombing him or Mitchell breaking through. Connor is a very skillful player and literally played in a dinner suit the first half against us at 6. We are pretty much halfway through the season so far. Players for me who will be there or there about Welsby Johnstone Wardle Farnworth Young Lewis H. Smith Mcmeeken O’Neill Lee’s Pierce -Paul Nsemba Radley Mulhern Thompson Oledzki Litten Jowitt Smithies Nicholson Marshall J. Burgess Percival G. Williams Are we playing 14 a side, you seem to have a 7 man pack ?
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| wrencat1873:Pat_Bateman:Trojan Horse:
Connor isn’t as effective at full back as could be seen in the second half last week when he switched there. He lacks the agility for it.
As for Pryce he’s not consistent enough in his performances and still has a lot to prove. He’s only getting mentioned at full back after a game that he had two break away tries vs some incredibly poor defence.
If you’re asking who’s the better full back it’s definitely Max.
Connor seems to be playing well in the halves though.
Knowing Wane he will put Lewis at full back. It irks me that he doesn’t play 9 all year and then Wane throws him in at 9 just to get him on the pitch when there’s a few good 9 options like Litten.
Connor is a defensive liability and way too slow to play FB against Aus. Imagine Cleary bombing him or Mitchell breaking through. Connor is a very skillful player and literally played in a dinner suit the first half against us at 6. We are pretty much halfway through the season so far. Players for me who will be there or there about Welsby Johnstone Wardle Farnworth Young Lewis H. Smith Mcmeeken O’Neill Lee’s Pierce -Paul Nsemba Radley Mulhern Thompson Oledzki Litten Jowitt Smithies Nicholson Marshall J. Burgess Percival G. Williams Are we playing 14 a side, you seem to have a 7 man pack ? Yes. It’s the new international rules being applied for the Ashes which is 14 a side.
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