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| I see no reason why you can't have a 8 year run.
2013 - WC UK
2014 - 4 nations in NZ
2015 - WCC extended edition - Oz
2016 - 4 nations in UK
2017 - WC (Oz/South Africa)
2018 - 4 nations in Oz
2019 - WCC in UK
2020 - 4 nations in France
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| Quote bewareshadows="bewareshadows"I see no reason why you can't have a 8 year run.
2013 - WC UK
2014 - 4 nations in NZ
2015 - WCC extended edition - Oz
2016 - 4 nations in UK
2017 - WC (Oz/South Africa)
2018 - 4 nations in Oz
2019 - WCC in UK
2020 - 4 nations in NZ
etc etc etc'"
Club footy, as in the WCC needs to be played every year and it needs to be kept separate from Internationals.
2013 RLWC (Europe)
2014 GB/France tour AU/NZ/PI's & Euro 6 Nations Cup
2015 4 Nations (Europe)
2016 AU/NZ tour GB/France/Euro's with PI's Nations cup played in SH
2017 RLWC (AU/NZ) south Africa is a pipe dream
2018 GB/France tour AU/NZ/PI's & Euro 6 Nations Cup
2019 4 Nations AU/NZ - PI's Nations cup played in SH
2020 AU/NZ tour GB/France/Euro's with PI's Nations cup played in SH
2021 RLWC (NH)
Standardise the 2 domestic comps....start and finish the same weekends March to early October Tours/events completed by Late November.
The only sticking point is the Magic Weekend which I would bin in favour of trying to get the international game sorted.
Mid October - 6 weeks of Euro 6 nations/ PI's competition, GB/ANZAC tours/ 4 Nations comps with the game coming together for a RLWC every 4 years with groups seeded based on results in the previous 3 seasons.
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"Club footy, as in the WCC needs to be played every year and it needs to be kept separate from Internationals.
2013 RLWC (Europe)
2014 GB/France tour AU/NZ/PI's & Euro 6 Nations Cup
2015 4 Nations (Europe)
2016 AU/NZ tour GB/France/Euro's with PI's Nations cup played in SH
2017 RLWC (AU/NZ) south Africa is a pipe dream
2018 GB/France tour AU/NZ/PI's & Euro 6 Nations Cup
2019 4 Nations AU/NZ - PI's Nations cup played in SH
2020 AU/NZ tour GB/France/Euro's with PI's Nations cup played in SH
2021 RLWC (NH)
Standardise the 2 domestic comps....start and finish the same weekends March to early October Tours/events completed by Late November.
The only sticking point is the Magic Weekend which I would bin in favour of trying to get the international game sorted.
Mid October - 6 weeks of Euro 6 nations/ PI's competition, GB/ANZAC tours/ 4 Nations comps with the game coming together for a RLWC every 4 years with groups seeded based on results in the previous 3 seasons.'"
No problem binning the Magic weekend, but the 2 domestic comps are hard to start and finish together. CC and Easter Weekend spring to mind, both are still big earners for all levels of clubs.
Also the reason I would only play the extended WCC every 4 years is that it allows for 4 years of qualifications. The WCC as it is can still be played in between. But the extended edition would need 3 weeks minimum. It's all a pipe dream of course as I doubt the NRL are that moved to want to make any changes at the moment.
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| I think I've just derailed this thread. Time to move this bit.
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| World Club Challenge is nothing to do with internationals and shouldn't be considered here.
Year 0: WC
Year 1: 4N/Pacific Cup/European Cup
Year 2: 4N/WCQ
Year 3: WCQ/Test series
Year 4: WC
That's how it should and hopefully will be from now on.
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| Quote bewareshadows="bewareshadows"No problem binning the Magic weekend, but the 2 domestic comps are hard to start and finish together. CC and Easter Weekend spring to mind, both are still big earners for all levels of clubs.
Also the reason I would only play the extended WCC every 4 years is that it allows for 4 years of qualifications. The WCC as it is can still be played in between. But the extended edition would need 3 weeks minimum. It's all a pipe dream of course as I doubt the NRL are that moved to want to make any changes at the moment.'"
The Challenge Cup is historically important but I'd draw the line at the ties being "big earners" for the clubs.
It all depends on what is perceived as best for the game. If the clubs see the benefit to a set International scene, if the governing bodies can get agreement from all parties and if the media partners and sponsors can be tied down, I see it as key to the long term development of the game that more emphasis is placed on Internationals.
This will be the most spotlight the game gets for at least another 8 years......what's needed is a media buzz every year like the one Union gets for the 6 nations and then again in the Autumn internationals.
There's nothing so jingoistic as an Englishman and playing Johnny Foreigner at any sport generally gets white flags flapping from car windows!
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| I included it as part of my post on the structure of the game thread but here's what I'd do:
A consistent 8 year cycle
Year 1: World Cup
Year 2: 5 Nations in SH. (Eng, Aus, NZ, PNG, Fiji)
Year 3: Australia tour of UK/France. 3 Test Series v GB plus games against a couple of clubs and France
Year 4: GB tour of NZ. 3 Test Series v NZ plus a game against PNG
Year 5: World Cup
Year 6: 5 Nations in UK/France (Eng, Aus, NZ, Wales, France)
Year 7: GB tour of Australia. 3 Test series v Aus plus games against clubs
Year 8: NZ tour of UK/France. 3 Test Series v GB plus game v France
Plus an annual, mid-season 5 Nations comp in UK/France of England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales & France. And an annual, mid-season 4 Nations comp in SH of Australia, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea and Fiji.
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| We need to build on the esxcitement of the RLWCwith an Ahses series the year after
I'd go
Year 0 RLWC Europe
Year 1 Ashes test series down under, Pacific and European cup
Year 2 6 nations (Eng,Oz,NZ, +PNG or France depending on hemisphere being payed in + cup winners (or runners up if winner france or PNG) from previous year)
Year 3 Ashes test series UK, World cup qualifying tournaments
Year 5 RLWC OZ&NZ
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| You've gotta give the top players a break sometimes.
Have a domestic international series in the season.
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| The world Club challenge is an odd one. I’d love to see an extended one but fitting it in to a crammed calendar is difficult. I think it needs to us to either be a bit more creative or cut down on the number of league games the top players play.
I think the international calendar is pretty simple, 5 nations mid season tournament in NH every year with home nations and France. Italy look to be next boat off the dock when applicable. Games played on designated free weekends. Oz, Nz, Fiji, Tonga and Samoa play same tournament at same time in SH. 4 games, 5 weeks. Includes a rest week.
End of years 8 year cycle (starting next year)
year 1 4 nations SH
Year 2 Proper tour SH
Year 3 4 nations NH
Year 4 WC SH
Year 5 4 nations NH
Year 6 proper tour NH
Year 7 4 nations SH
Year 8 WC NH
I think it is also important that we be clear that an SH tour by England doesn’t just mean 3 games against the Aussies. I can imagine the governments of Samoa, Fiji, Tonga and PNG would be very welcoming of an England side playing those nations in those nations. I also can’t imagine too many players having a big problem spending 6 weeks in paradise playing RL.
We line up the seasons so they start and end on the same day. One month between end of club season start of international comp. The WCC to be played in whichever hemisphere the international tournament is to be played. Top 4 in each competition. 1st/3rd SL in a group with 2nd/4th NRL and vice-versa. Each side plays the 2 teams from the other comp once, top team in each group go to WCC final. Champions of each comp start on 1 point. That’s a three week competition that would take us up to the international season.
For fitting it in to the season, we can scrap the exiles game which is two weeks back, one WCC week would be replace. That would leave us needing to find 4 weeks (mid season internationals would be 4 weeks, expanded WCC would be 3 meaning we need to find 7 weeks). I would also look at limiting players to playing a certain amount of club matches per season but expanding the SC and squad size to cover this, say add another 8 players taking squad sizes to 33 expand the SC by 250k for those additional 8 players but insist 5 of them are under 21.
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| Well my thoughts may be ambitious but I think the bottom line is to allow countries to build and stop players from changing allegiance every country must be given an opportunity to play competitive internationals. More work must be done to allow U21's competitions for a start and eventually we may get to a point where once your capped for one country you have to stick to it. That I believe must be the long term goal. I'd also like to extend the four nations to a five nations, its absolutely valuable we give more countries the chance to play the big teams.
I would go for.
Year one : Five Nations in Northern Hemisphere (Top 3 ranked Countries from NH and Top 2 Ranked Countries from SH) Northern Hemisphere Shield and a Pacific Cup for other nations.
Year two : Northern Hemisphere Cup (Top 8 Ranked European Nations) and a Southern Hemisphere Cup (Top 8 Ranked Southern Hemisphere Nations).
Year three : Five Nations in Southern Hemisphere (Top 3 Ranked Countries SH and Top 2 Ranked Countries from NH) Northern Hemisphere Shield and a Pacific Cup for other Nations.
Year Four : World Cup in X Nation.
Northern Hemisphere Teams to consist from. England, Wales, France, Scotland, Italy, Russia, Serbia, Ireland, USA, Canada and Jamaica.
Southern Hemisphere Teams to consist from. Australia, New Zealand, Fiji, PNG, Tonga, Samoa, Cook Islands, South Africa.
Thats 19 countries we could potentially have playing competitive international RL every year.
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| I'd posted this in another thread before seing this one:
Ideally I'd have for England/GB:
2013 - WC
2014 - Spring Fortnight - Two 'Friendly' tests vs European Nations.
2014 - Mid-Season - Annual test vs France. (like the Anzac test).
2014 - Autumn - Southern Hemisphere games/tournaments (NH to travel).
2015 - Spring Fortnight - Two 'Friendly' tests vs European Nations.
2015 - Mid-Season - Annual test vs France.
2015 - Autumn - Northern Hemisphere games/tournaments (SH to travel).
2016 - Spring Fortnight - Two 'Friendly' tests vs European Nations.
2016 - Mid-Season - Annual test vs France.
2016 - Autumn - GB Lions Tour to SH (other nations playing eachother too).
2017 - Spring Fortnight - Two 'Friendly' tests vs European Nations.
2017 - Mid-Season - Annual test vs France.
2017 - Autumn - WC.
I think the International calendar needs to be 'fuller', not just limited to the back end of the season. SL moving to 12 teams and scrapping the Exiles fixture should free up the time.
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