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Re: Shaw and Croft : Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:17 am  
To me, rules are rules.
They were made a contract offer and rejected it.
Don't see a problem with that....
Re: Shaw and Croft : Wed Dec 07, 2022 5:21 pm  
The Avenger wrote:
I can assure you that for every player that attends and graduates college Trinity get an annual kickback that covers their wage


No, now you are being cute with your words.

It's an absolute fact that Wakefield College do not pay any money to any player.

They do pay an amount per player directly to the club. It's up to the club what they do with that money.

Whether you could argue it's the "same" money that the club pays to the players is moot.
Re: Shaw and Croft : Wed Dec 07, 2022 6:02 pm  
dboy wrote:
No, now you are being cute with your words.

It's an absolute fact that Wakefield College do not pay any money to any player.

They do pay an amount per player directly to the club. It's up to the club what they do with that money.

Whether you could argue it's the "same" money that the club pays to the players is moot.


Not when it’s exactly the same money and only those going to college get that amount.
I’m not guessing here, I know from multiple experiences that this is definitely what happens.

The point is though, when the clubs claiming to have put huge amounts of investment into developing players therefore they can justifiably claim compensation it’s not exactly true. As I said earlier The RFL fund the majority of the Academy and the College money takes up a fair amount of the cost too. So holding back 2 players and claiming compensation because they won’t sign a low value contract becomes immoral IMO
Re: Shaw and Croft : Wed Dec 07, 2022 6:31 pm  
The Avenger wrote:
Not when it’s exactly the same money and only those going to college get that amount.
I’m not guessing here, I know from multiple experiences that this is definitely what happens.

The point is though, when the clubs claiming to have put huge amounts of investment into developing players therefore they can justifiably claim compensation it’s not exactly true. As I said earlier The RFL fund the majority of the Academy and the College money takes up a fair amount of the cost too. So holding back 2 players and claiming compensation because they won’t sign a low value contract becomes immoral IMO


You corrected my post and stated that Wakefield College paid the Trinity Academy players. They do not.

Nor is education is free (it's just "free" to the user).

I think we also looked after Croft through a season-long injury(?).
Re: Shaw and Croft : Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:12 pm  
dboy wrote:
You corrected my post and stated that Wakefield College paid the Trinity Academy players. They do not.

Nor is education is free (it's just "free" to the user).

I think we also looked after Croft through a season-long injury(?).


Yes and gave him the opportunity after to find some form back in the first team.
Re: Shaw and Croft : Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:40 pm  
I don't really know why people are getting so upset about this.
The rules been in place for quite a while
No one at the club has said we wouldn't negotiate or waive the fee
No club has said they would sign them but won't because of the fee.
Re: Shaw and Croft : Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:58 pm  
Without explicit facts, it's surely impossible for anyone on either side of the 'argument' to have an informed opinion, unless I'm missing something that's been said or done by the club/player? And then you make a judgement as to the veracity of those comments
Re: Shaw and Croft : Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:53 pm  
Do not know what all the fuss is about The amount of young players who we have had that according to fans are world beaters and end disappearing from the game At the end of the day could these players help to make us grade A the answer is no.We have also got some in the first team squad as well
Re: Shaw and Croft : Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:23 am  
Well I am still trying to find out the identity of the players agent(s) because from what I know so far a great deal of this mess seems to be down to bad advice. These two young players have paid said agent(s) from their small earnings to look after their careers. It appears all they have got from their money is to be left high and dry.
Re: Shaw and Croft : Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:53 am  
Prince Buster wrote:
Well I am still trying to find out the identity of the players agent(s) because from what I know so far a great deal of this mess seems to be down to bad advice. These two young players have paid said agent(s) from their small earnings to look after their careers. It appears all they have got from their money is to be left high and dry.


This is exactly whats happened.

However before people start the endless moralising/saviour complex nonsense lets be right about this.

It has cost the club the best part of 30-40k a player to allow these two young lads to pursue their dreams. That money one way or another comes from YOU, the fan.

Players don't have to have agents and they certainly don't have to do what they say. The fact that Croft in particular was supported through an injury by the clubs suggests to me that loyalty is a bit of a one way street,

Even if the club hold out for compensation, it won't pay anything like back the investment WE have made.We are a business first, not a dream factory, that's fine for the 80 minutes of a game but for the rest of the time it's pure economics.

You can believe me or not, but as far as I'm led to believe by various sources both were offered deals, then improved deals and both via their agents refused. The reason they can't get a gig now is because they want too much money, nothing to do with compensation, and nobody it appears would bite then or now and now everybody is spent up including us.

The reason they are in limbo is because our offer is no longer there as far as I'm aware, it's gone on other youngsters. I suspect we would waive the comp on both players with maybe one club exception, problem is I don't think anyone has the budget left to splash out on these two very unproven players, with or without compensation to us.

Sadly I suspect it's part time championship for Croft. Shaw, might cobble a deal together to allow him to stay in our reserves, but on this bit I am purely speculating.

What's truly and appallingly cynical about this is that IMO the agent has clearly fed this story to the press, in an attempt to gain a sympathy vote, and thus cover up his own ineptitude. I sincerely hope this bloke either learns quickly or has a very short career, before he ruins the careers of any more players.

One final thing to all the TRINITY ARE EVIL TO YOUNGSTERS brigade. The money allocated for Shaw and Croft has now gone to two other youngsters who were happy with the terms on offer. So the promotion of youth in percentage terms to the first team remains exactly the same.

PB, I'll PM you his name.
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