Re: 2022 | RL World Cup : Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:00 pm  

krisleeds wrote:

Welsby is a flat track bully. I'd have Myler before him every day.


The new Leon Pryce - World Hide and Seek Champion.

Welsby was terrible. Jackson Hastings wanted to play for England, the fact Wane refused to pick him and went with Welsby at stand off should cost Wane the England job. If you play Hastings in place of Welsby England would be in the World Cup Final.

Re: 2022 | RL World Cup : Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:11 pm  

I think the criticism of Welsby is abit harsh.
Out of position and first international game against opposition that didn't just self Implode.

Wane made some bad calls on the teams and "tactics" for sure but the batshit plays in golden point were pure panic from those players.
The one from Whitehead,given his experience was horrible.

We need more international games against teams like Aus,NZ,Samoa. We need higher intensity games in SL either via less teams and better cap system or some other medium.
We also need the RFL to get games reffed like internationals and not a replay of the poor bans this year.

We have some great young players,we need to start building around them,not using players who are too old.

Samoa did fantastic though. Yellow card and lost two to HIA. Worked hard for each other and targeted our players weaknesses

Re: 2022 | RL World Cup : Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:29 pm  

I think there were some dubious team selections.. It seemed to be a typical SW team.. try and bully the opposition, then capitalise on mistakes. Having MM at hooker was a mistake as he gives zero go forward unlike a Roby type player would.. Tomkins as full back i don;t think was the right choice. Pretty average. We just came up with dumb plays. Probably having 3 easy pook games pkus an easy(ish) quarter final did us no favours. It was difficult to see where the team actually was in regards to performance levels.. In the semi, the lack of ball that went through hands was shocking and the wingers were starved of ball. Not sure how KW didn;t manage to ground the ball. Maybe just a great defensive play. Small margins at the end of the day. We had chances, just failed to excute them well enough.

Re: 2022 | RL World Cup : Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:52 pm  

Emagdnim13 wrote:

I think the criticism of Welsby is abit harsh.
Out of position and first international game against opposition that didn't just self Implode.

Wane made some bad calls on the teams and "tactics" for sure but the batshit plays in golden point were pure panic from those players.
The one from Whitehead,given his experience was horrible.

We need more international games against teams like Aus,NZ,Samoa. We need higher intensity games in SL either via less teams and better cap system or some other medium.
We also need the RFL to get games reffed like internationals and not a replay of the poor bans this year.

We have some great young players,we need to start building around them,not using players who are too old.

Samoa did fantastic though. Yellow card and lost two to HIA. Worked hard for each other and targeted our players weaknesses

Absolutely spot on.

Re: 2022 | RL World Cup : Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:58 pm  

The batshit plays come from a coach who doesn't reflect composure hence the players not dealing with pressure either.

[Bullseye]

Re: 2022 | RL World Cup : Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:45 am  

Some pretty knee jerk reactions on here and some spot on reactions too. We paid for some lapses in concentration and some unforced errors. We lost in golden point extra time so it wasn't as if England were outclassed so perhaps a bit of perspective is needed?

Some selections were down to the fact that there was nobody else available. McIlorum would be nowhere near the side if Roby was still available. If Hodgson was fit he'd probably be in front of him too. Watkins had an absolute mare but would he be in the side if Newman had been fit? Would Hill have been in if Walmsley was fit? On Hill I thought he had a decent world cup and was better than Oledzki who will improve I'm sure.

Welsby is only young and going to be a top player. I think his on field persona can rile non Saints fans but as a neutral he gets in my England 13 every day of the week.

Re: 2022 | RL World Cup : Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:59 am  

I think the perspective/context may be a bit clearer next week Sam when Aus (in my opinion) will blow that samoa side off the park and we'll see just how far off we are (still). Fair enough if they were outstanding, but they weren't, and we were poor.

Re: 2022 | RL World Cup : Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:37 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

Some pretty knee jerk reactions on here and some spot on reactions too. We paid for some lapses in concentration and some unforced errors. We lost in golden point extra time so it wasn't as if England were outclassed so perhaps a bit of perspective is needed?

Some selections were down to the fact that there was nobody else available. McIlorum would be nowhere near the side if Roby was still available. If Hodgson was fit he'd probably be in front of him too. Watkins had an absolute mare but would he be in the side if Newman had been fit? Would Hill have been in if Walmsley was fit? On Hill I thought he had a decent world cup and was better than Oledzki who will improve I'm sure.

Welsby is only young and going to be a top player. I think his on field persona can rile non Saints fans but as a neutral he gets in my England 13 every day of the week.

Agree with a lot of that you`ve said.
Wrt Welsby I would have him in my starting 13 but at FB in place of Tomkins and possibly Sneyd alongside Williams in the halves which is harsh om Tomkins I know.
Hill I disagreed with at the start but has been decent. Cooper for me was always the wrong selection.
Other than that not many other players would have got in that were available.

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