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Re: Brexit disaster : Thu Nov 24, 2022 3:11 pm  
wotsupcas wrote:
Yes really. IMO it was the Maastricht treaty that was the catalyst for the leave movement.


It does have to be said how well its going.

The UK has gone from top to bottom of the table for G7 nations and immigration is up, despite "taking back control" of our borders.
If it wasnt so serious, it would be hilarious but, in the words of Mr Farage "you're not laughing now".
Meanwhile, some of those on the right of politics and their hedge fund friends have made a bloody fortune out of the country sinking.
Quite ironic, given that many of them pretend to be so patriotic.

Liz Truss talked about "the anti-growth coalition" but, Brexit is one of the main reasons for the huge drop off in exports.
Now, where are those new markets ??
Re: Brexit disaster : Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:18 pm  
Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza wrote:
wotsupcas wrote:
Oops. If it was JUST the common market we'd still be in it.
Doubtful. If that was the case we would have made attempts to join EFTA or tried to negotiate a deal similar that Switzerland have. Which isn't as good as being in the common market as we would still have to produce customs paperwork but does deliver some of the benefits.
The problem is that Quitters don't want to live in the world as it is instead of the world as they wish it was (I'd say the world they wish they could recreate but it's all a sad, nostalgia-fumed illusion). They think it's as simple as having a free trade zone but with none of the regulatory alignment which makes such a thing work. It's so sadly delusional.
Re: Brexit disaster : Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:40 am  
The Ghost of '99 wrote:
The problem is that Quitters don't want to live in the world as it is instead of the world as they wish it was (I'd say the world they wish they could recreate but it's all a sad, nostalgia-fumed illusion). They think it's as simple as having a free trade zone but with none of the regulatory alignment which makes such a thing work. It's so sadly delusional.



It’s pretty pathetic especially when you consider that on a lot of things (especially things like animal welfare in farming and safety standards) our own standards are higher than the EU minimum. We were the ones driving EU regulation and pushing for improvements.
Re: Brexit disaster : Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:35 am  
Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza wrote:
Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza wrote:
It’s pretty pathetic especially when you consider that on a lot of things (especially things like animal welfare in farming and safety standards) our own standards are higher than the EU minimum. We were the ones driving EU regulation and pushing for improvements.


Interesting concept.

However, there seems little doubt that the UK wished to decide it's own regulations on a whole host of issues and while we may be in line with the EU on some things, we are keen to review many others and when you listen to people like Jacob Rees Mogg (who suggests that there should be no "entitlement" to paid holidays or maternity pay), there seems to be no doubt whatsoever that we will be reducing employment rights.
A blindman can spot the direction of travel here and the destination isn't quite the "sunlit uplands" that were mentioned by David Davis.

When you have the Governor of the Bank of England telling us of the "hit" to the economy, it is now clear that "we" voted to make ourselves and the country poorer and having idiots like Truss calling other parties "the anti growth coalition", when her party (with some support from others) delivered the single biggest hit to our prosperity , it makes you despair.

Happy New Year everyone.
Re: Brexit disaster : Fri Jan 13, 2023 12:16 pm  
wrencat1873 wrote:
Interesting concept.

However, there seems little doubt that the UK wished to decide it's own regulations on a whole host of issues and while we may be in line with the EU on some things, we are keen to review many others and when you listen to people like Jacob Rees Mogg (who suggests that there should be no "entitlement" to paid holidays or maternity pay), there seems to be no doubt whatsoever that we will be reducing employment rights.
A blindman can spot the direction of travel here and the destination isn't quite the "sunlit uplands" that were mentioned by David Davis.

When you have the Governor of the Bank of England telling us of the "hit" to the economy, it is now clear that "we" voted to make ourselves and the country poorer and having idiots like Truss calling other parties "the anti growth coalition", when her party (with some support from others) delivered the single biggest hit to our prosperity , it makes you despair.

Happy New Year everyone.


The UK (as a whole) didn’t though did we? Don’t forget the likes of Rees Mogg and the rest of the ERG were on the fringes and quite rightly viewed as the cranks they are before the referendum.

They were very clever in the way they framed the argument as being about taking back control of our own laws - as if it were the EU holding us back. When all along it was about them deregulating everything so that they (and their donors) could line their pockets. You only have to look at the fact you can’t go swimming at the seaside anymore without risking making yourself ill for proof of that.

In fact, any mention that that was the intention was quickly dismissed as “project fear”. Yet here we are and people have been that taken in that they’re asking for their living standards to be reduced.
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