Re: Tony Clubb - Charged Grade F : Wed May 12, 2021 11:18 am  

Durham Giant -what a load of rubbish,

I want democracy which means freedom of speech without being shouted down,cancelled and so-on by fools who would suppress that.

Name me one thing that a ethnic person cannot do that I can in this brilliant country we all live in.

Re: Tony Clubb - Charged Grade F : Wed May 12, 2021 11:36 am  

Jason65 wrote:

Name me one thing that a ethnic person cannot do that I can in this brilliant country we all live in.

Live equally without prejudice and bias - unless of course, you deny that exists.

Which in many ways is the whole point of the charge brought about by the onfield incident.

[Durham Giant]

Re: Tony Clubb - Charged Grade F : Wed May 12, 2021 11:50 am  

M@islebugs wrote: That's an entirely false equivalence. The incidents you speak of either weren't in this country or appalling as they were in (1972), in no way compare to the sacrifice made to secure European civilisation, not once but twice. The same people who fought those wars created the greatest movement for social progress in the world (the Labour movement) leading to the establishment of the NHS you speak of. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56950484 Police violence against black people is much higher than against whites people. Even though there was no evidence of a racist element to this the facts about discriminatory behaviour towards black peoples is significant https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-56183429 There are hundreds more of these incidents Black people are over represented in huge numbers in all sorts af areas which indicate discrimination in this country. Just go and look for them As for your second point about equivalence I am not sure I understand it. I made the point that Boris and other right wingers like Laurence Fox are creating this debate in an attempt to distract ( and attract white racist supporters ) from their attempts to curb democracy and make damaging changes to the NHS which is what led to social change in the Uk after WW2.

M@islebugs wrote: That's an entirely false equivalence. The incidents you speak of either weren't in this country or appalling as they were in (1972), in no way compare to the sacrifice made to secure European civilisation, not once but twice. The same people who fought those wars created the greatest movement for social progress in the world (the Labour movement) leading to the establishment of the NHS you speak of. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56950484 Police violence against black people is much higher than against whites people. Even though there was no evidence of a racist element to this the facts about discriminatory behaviour towards black peoples is significant https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-56183429 There are hundreds more of these incidents Black people are over represented in huge numbers in all sorts af areas which indicate discrimination in this country. Just go and look for them As for your second point about equivalence I am not sure I understand it. I made the point that Boris and other right wingers like Laurence Fox are creating this debate in an attempt to distract ( and attract white racist supporters ) from their attempts to curb democracy and make damaging changes to the NHS which is what led to social change in the Uk after WW2.

[Durham Giant]

Re: Tony Clubb - Charged Grade F : Wed May 12, 2021 12:02 pm  

Jason65 wrote: Durham Giant -what a load of rubbish, I want democracy which means freedom of speech without being shouted down,cancelled and so-on by fools who would suppress that. Name me one thing that a ethnic person cannot do that I can in this brilliant country we all live in. Maybe have equality of opportunity to be a RL players https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... and-set-up The average black person will experience more instances of N***** or black friend or love off to where you belong than you have experiences of love off whitey or get back to your own country but yet you know this. It is funny how many people now try to hide their racist attitudes by standing up for “free speech” or oppose “cancel culture” A bit like Tommy Robinson using Asian rape gangs to whip up racism whilst supporting the EDL in their pro rape and sexual abuse culture Just google Richard Price, former leader of the English Defence League. Convicted for possession of child pornography, and admitted making indecent images of children. Tommy Robinson began a "Free Richard Price" campaign in 2011. I have at least 20 more instances of EDL child abusers and rapists in the last few years. Paige Chivers killed in Blackpool. Big EDL campaign about this and Rape gangs in Blackpool. Lots of demonstrations turns out she was murdered by BNP member and EDL supporter Robert Ewing Meet Robert Ewing, a member of the English Defence League. Imprisoned in 1995 for gross indecency with a 13 year old. Convicted of murdering 15 year old Paige Chivers, and later for the sexual abuse of two children aged 6 and 9. @VirgilCaine1 Re: Ewing: Efforts were made to link Paige Chivers' disappearance to the Muslim community by right wing groups including members of the British National Party, the English Defence League, and related blogs. After Ewing's conviction, no comment was made by either organisation. I am not going to convince you Jason but to everyone else reading this. Don’t believe the hype that we are being fed about cancel culture etc it is being used as a smokescreen to undermine our fundamental rights as well as the NHS etc.

Jason65 wrote: Durham Giant -what a load of rubbish, I want democracy which means freedom of speech without being shouted down,cancelled and so-on by fools who would suppress that. Name me one thing that a ethnic person cannot do that I can in this brilliant country we all live in. Maybe have equality of opportunity to be a RL players https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... and-set-up The average black person will experience more instances of N***** or black friend or love off to where you belong than you have experiences of love off whitey or get back to your own country but yet you know this. It is funny how many people now try to hide their racist attitudes by standing up for “free speech” or oppose “cancel culture” A bit like Tommy Robinson using Asian rape gangs to whip up racism whilst supporting the EDL in their pro rape and sexual abuse culture Just google Richard Price, former leader of the English Defence League. Convicted for possession of child pornography, and admitted making indecent images of children. Tommy Robinson began a "Free Richard Price" campaign in 2011. I have at least 20 more instances of EDL child abusers and rapists in the last few years. Paige Chivers killed in Blackpool. Big EDL campaign about this and Rape gangs in Blackpool. Lots of demonstrations turns out she was murdered by BNP member and EDL supporter Robert Ewing Meet Robert Ewing, a member of the English Defence League. Imprisoned in 1995 for gross indecency with a 13 year old. Convicted of murdering 15 year old Paige Chivers, and later for the sexual abuse of two children aged 6 and 9. @VirgilCaine1 Re: Ewing: Efforts were made to link Paige Chivers' disappearance to the Muslim community by right wing groups including members of the British National Party, the English Defence League, and related blogs. After Ewing's conviction, no comment was made by either organisation. I am not going to convince you Jason but to everyone else reading this. Don’t believe the hype that we are being fed about cancel culture etc it is being used as a smokescreen to undermine our fundamental rights as well as the NHS etc.

Re: Tony Clubb - Charged Grade F : Wed May 12, 2021 12:57 pm  

Durham Giant wrote: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56950484 Police violence against black people is much higher than against whites people. Even though there was no evidence of a racist element to this the facts about discriminatory behaviour towards black peoples is significant https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-56183429 There are hundreds more of these incidents Black people are over represented in huge numbers in all sorts af areas which indicate discrimination in this country. Just go and look for them As for your second point about equivalence I am not sure I understand it. I made the point that Boris and other right wingers like Laurence Fox are creating this debate in an attempt to distract ( and attract white racist supporters ) from their attempts to curb democracy and make damaging changes to the NHS which is what led to social change in the Uk after WW2. There are 60million+ people in the country. There is a statistically tiny number of these incidents.

Durham Giant wrote: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56950484 Police violence against black people is much higher than against whites people. Even though there was no evidence of a racist element to this the facts about discriminatory behaviour towards black peoples is significant https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-56183429 There are hundreds more of these incidents Black people are over represented in huge numbers in all sorts af areas which indicate discrimination in this country. Just go and look for them As for your second point about equivalence I am not sure I understand it. I made the point that Boris and other right wingers like Laurence Fox are creating this debate in an attempt to distract ( and attract white racist supporters ) from their attempts to curb democracy and make damaging changes to the NHS which is what led to social change in the Uk after WW2. There are 60million+ people in the country. There is a statistically tiny number of these incidents.

Re: Tony Clubb - Charged Grade F : Wed May 12, 2021 1:15 pm  

So now its my turn.
I havnt the time or inclination to go and find loads of alternative arguments to what you lot are putting forward.
I do however feel sorry for Mr Giant that he has to troll through all kinds of individual accounts to make point.
Why would you call me Whitey you dont know who I am is that not a tad racist,I am equal to and everyone is equal to me.
So please stop spouting your crap as that is what it is just to make a pathetic point of which I could do the same.

It is wrong to be racist,it is wrong to shut people down,it is wrong to cancell folk ,it is wrong to think that if people have different views means they are racist they are not, they just think you are a fool and you cause more division with your views and negative thoughts against whites. As a side issue my wife was a theatre nurse and when a african nurse started she thought she had to sit in a different canteen and was surprised that whites and blacks and asians all sat together. not bad for a racist country.

[Durham Giant]

Re: Tony Clubb - Charged Grade F : Wed May 12, 2021 1:36 pm  

M@islebugs wrote: There are 60million+ people in the country. There is a statistically tiny number of these incidents. Statistically Deaths in police custody. Black people 8%. Black people by ethnic category black people make up 3 % of the population that is fact and statistically indicates that black people are over represented. https://www.statista.com/statistics/112 ... ethnicity/

M@islebugs wrote: There are 60million+ people in the country. There is a statistically tiny number of these incidents. Statistically Deaths in police custody. Black people 8%. Black people by ethnic category black people make up 3 % of the population that is fact and statistically indicates that black people are over represented. https://www.statista.com/statistics/112 ... ethnicity/

[Durham Giant]

Re: Tony Clubb - Charged Grade F : Wed May 12, 2021 1:41 pm  

Jason65 wrote:

So now its my turn.
I havnt the time or inclination to go and find loads of alternative arguments to what you lot are putting forward.
I do however feel sorry for Mr Giant that he has to troll through all kinds of individual accounts to make point.
Why would you call me Whitey you dont know who I am is that not a tad racist,I am equal to and everyone is equal to me.
So please stop spouting your crap as that is what it is just to make a pathetic point of which I could do the same.

It is wrong to be racist,it is wrong to shut people down,it is wrong to cancell folk ,it is wrong to think that if people have different views means they are racist they are not, they just think you are a fool and you cause more division with your views and negative thoughts against whites. As a side issue my wife was a theatre nurse and when a african nurse started she thought she had to sit in a different canteen and was surprised that whites and blacks and asians all sat together. not bad for a racist country.

You ought to read what is written I did not call you whitey I said that I bet black people are commented on by their colour more than you-are commented in respect of your colour .

How is that you transpose someone challenging racism against BAME communities is in some way anti white ?

That I believe is either you not understanding the point or deliberately trying to confuse it.

Did you watch the link I gave about 4 black Huddersfield Giants players talking about their experiences of racism in RL ?

That is an example of how Black players have a different experience to white players.

Pointing that out and challenging it is not anti white unless you are saying that anything that points out discrimination ad racism is anti white ?

Re: Tony Clubb - Charged Grade F : Wed May 12, 2021 1:43 pm  

Durham Giant wrote: Statistically Deaths in police custody. Black people 8%. Black people by ethnic category black people make up 3 % of the population that is fact and statistically indicates that black people are over represented. https://www.statista.com/statistics/112 ... ethnicity/ You need to read your own statistics. According to that website Asians account for 8% of population but only 3% of deaths. Do the police really like Asians? People enter police custody in all kinds of states and die for a variety of tragic reasons. Each is investigated independently. There's just no evidence of what you're suggesting and nobody is defending the EDL.

Durham Giant wrote: Statistically Deaths in police custody. Black people 8%. Black people by ethnic category black people make up 3 % of the population that is fact and statistically indicates that black people are over represented. https://www.statista.com/statistics/112 ... ethnicity/ You need to read your own statistics. According to that website Asians account for 8% of population but only 3% of deaths. Do the police really like Asians? People enter police custody in all kinds of states and die for a variety of tragic reasons. Each is investigated independently. There's just no evidence of what you're suggesting and nobody is defending the EDL.

[Durham Giant]

Re: Tony Clubb - Charged Grade F : Wed May 12, 2021 1:53 pm  

M@islebugs wrote:

You need to read your own statistics. According to that website Asians account for 8% of population but only 3% of deaths. Do the police really like Asians? People enter police custody in all kinds of states and die for a variety of tragic reasons. Each is investigated independently. There's just no evidence of what you're suggesting and nobody is defending the EDL.

I did not quote any statistics for Asians .

If you don’t like the statistics take it up with the government who provide the statistics,

The comments about the EDL were to illustrate the fact that people use racism as a way to manipulate how people think and vote to obscure other issues hence me comparing it to the Tories using woke culture etc to provide a smokescreen to other things that they are doing. the fact that this whole discussion is about race and not about the governments queens speech about what they are planning to do about democracy and the NHS illustrates that.