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| Abe Froman:Velcro boots:Abe Froman:Velcro boots:Abe Froman:Lord Tony Smith:
Interesting that Abe tweeted over the weekend that there are
only three people who oversee every recruitment and retention decision and that
these three people don’t receive half as much criticism as others. They are:
Simon Moran
Stuart Middleton
Mike Lomax
The 'top 3 triangle' are ultimately responsible for the sanctioning of new signings & extending the contracts of players, with plenty of input from the Director Of Rugby and the senior coaching staff, as well as advisors that are used in Australia. It's their money that's being spent afterall. But nobody seems to mention them when criticising the clubs structure & on/off field results, which I suspect is down to the money they've put in to the club over the years. Imagine what position we'd be in now without them, especially SM. I don't think you can criticize them then, the club are paying people to advise and they are taking on board the advice given. The serious lack of quality falls on the people giving this advise. I have zero knowledge of who we use and if its the same people but if it is, after decades of poor recruitment with the odd exception id be cutting ties with no leaving card. When you say 'the club are paying people to advise' I assume you're referring to our Director Of Rugby & senior coaching staff ? Yeah but more so aimed at the advisors we use in Australia, i just find it bizarre and a waste of club/investors money constantly bringing players over that don't cut it The only advisor we've paid in Australia was an advanced stats guy on NRL players who Lomax knows. But if you think there's a network of pro scouts or advisors etc then you're barking up the wrong tree. Sounds crazy doesn't it !!! Simon Moran speaks to a few people who've advised him, but they certainly don't get paid ie, Andrew Johns, Jim Bannaghan, Russell Crowe, Phil Gould etc. Well, I say Phil Gould, but that's another chapter for my book. Ah i thought there would be more to it than a stats guy. As a fan who isn't privy to the clubs day to day running and business regarding player recruitment i find it very disappointing over the years how we seem to get it wrong more often than not. You are very much someone who seems to know a lot before the average fan like myself so i would presume you know a lot more than most of us will ever hear about, how do you think we have fared over the years when dipping into the "transfer market" as such? |
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| morrisseyisawire:
Ahem. I was roundly criticised on here 2 years ago for saying the Moran, one of the boys, pint on the terrace routine was wearing a bit thin.
We don't need anoher speccie. We need a w*nker of an owner who ruthlessly pursues success and expects the same from his management team.
I'm sure most Real Madrid fans have never met their owner, let alone had a paellla and a pint with him but they have enjoyed massive success over a long period by being utterly focussed and driven.
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| morrisseyisawire:
Ahem. I was roundly criticised on here 2 years ago for saying the Moran, one of the boys, pint on the terrace routine was wearing a bit thin.
We don't need anoher speccie. We need a w*nker of an owner who ruthlessly pursues success and expects the same from his management team.
I'm sure most Real Madrid fans have never met their owner, let alone had a paellla and a pint with him but they have enjoyed massive success over a long period by being utterly focussed and driven.
Yep standards are set from the top. If continual sub-standard performance is accepted, that's what you will get. Burgess, Chambers, Gleeson and Marshall know they aren't going to be sacked however we perform. It's all very comfortable apart from for us mugs who follow them. |
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| Velcro boots:Abe Froman:Velcro boots:Abe Froman:Velcro boots:Abe Froman:Lord Tony Smith:
Interesting that Abe tweeted over the weekend that there are
only three people who oversee every recruitment and retention decision and that
these three people don’t receive half as much criticism as others. They are:
Simon Moran
Stuart Middleton
Mike Lomax
The 'top 3 triangle' are ultimately responsible for the sanctioning of new signings & extending the contracts of players, with plenty of input from the Director Of Rugby and the senior coaching staff, as well as advisors that are used in Australia. It's their money that's being spent afterall. But nobody seems to mention them when criticising the clubs structure & on/off field results, which I suspect is down to the money they've put in to the club over the years. Imagine what position we'd be in now without them, especially SM. I don't think you can criticize them then, the club are paying people to advise and they are taking on board the advice given. The serious lack of quality falls on the people giving this advise. I have zero knowledge of who we use and if its the same people but if it is, after decades of poor recruitment with the odd exception id be cutting ties with no leaving card. When you say 'the club are paying people to advise' I assume you're referring to our Director Of Rugby & senior coaching staff ? Yeah but more so aimed at the advisors we use in Australia, i just find it bizarre and a waste of club/investors money constantly bringing players over that don't cut it The only advisor we've paid in Australia was an advanced stats guy on NRL players who Lomax knows. But if you think there's a network of pro scouts or advisors etc then you're barking up the wrong tree. Sounds crazy doesn't it !!! Simon Moran speaks to a few people who've advised him, but they certainly don't get paid ie, Andrew Johns, Jim Bannaghan, Russell Crowe, Phil Gould etc. Well, I say Phil Gould, but that's another chapter for my book. Ah i thought there would be more to it than a stats guy. As a fan who isn't privy to the clubs day to day running and business regarding player recruitment i find it very disappointing over the years how we seem to get it wrong more often than not. You are very much someone who seems to know a lot before the average fan like myself so i would presume you know a lot more than most of us will ever hear about, how do you think we have fared over the years when dipping into the "transfer market" as such? I think the money spent on signings and the lack of success speaks for itself. I would estimate 1 in every 4 players we've signed over the past 5 years could probably be looked at as smart / shrewd, which isn't anywhere near good enough for a team wanting to finish as league leaders & win a Grand Final. For me, Wigan & Hull KR lead the way, although the latter will sign anyone regardless of who they are. Somebody messaged me on Twitter this week saying 'club is a shambles at the moment.' My reply...... 'At the moment ???' |
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Not quite rock bottom yet but the club have been in a steady decline for the last 5-8 years. Nothing will change until change is made at the top table. And I include Moran as well.
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| Bobby Digital:
Not quite rock bottom yet but the club have been in a steady decline for the last 5-8 years. Nothing will change until change is made at the top table. And I include Moran as well.
You may be right - but who is going to instigate the change? Do you think the board of directors will suddenly realise that, whilst they may be generous with their cash, they are not very good at running a title aspiring RL club*?
*Statement concluded empirically by observing league performance over an extended period across a number of coaches in contrast with the publicly stated aim of winning the title. |
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