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Re: Shaw and Croft : Tue Dec 06, 2022 5:29 pm  
The Avenger wrote:
That’s the rub with running an Academy and clubs know this before they decide to run one. How much compensation did Trinity pay to Keighley Albion and Emly Moor ARLFC,s for the work they put into Jack and Isaac?

Up to £60,000 for Jack Croft?

I see Leeds let Jack Broadbent go to Castleford without any compensation


Would Leeds be entitled to compensation ?
Broadbent was 22 in November , so wouldnt the compensation rule expiry on 1st Dec?
Re: Shaw and Croft : Tue Dec 06, 2022 5:31 pm  
The Avenger wrote:
So we see 2 young players frozen out of the game, you do know that the Academy is largely funded by the RFL with Wakefield College pretty much covering player salaries till they’re 18?
Scholarship Coaches are volunteers and Academy Coaches/HoY double up as 1st team staff

The investment from the club isn’t as great as you’d imagine

I don't know fully the investment from this club, and I suspect neither do you.

With regards to the 2 young players frozen out of the game they do have choices as did Kershaw, how they choose to deal with it is up to them, your just arguing a matter of principle apparently, my thoughts on the matter would be to get rid of the agent firstly and think what's best for me and not my agent.
Re: Shaw and Croft : Tue Dec 06, 2022 5:46 pm  
chissitt wrote:
I don't know fully the investment from this club, and I suspect neither do you.

With regards to the 2 young players frozen out of the game they do have choices as did Kershaw, how they choose to deal with it is up to them, your just arguing a matter of principle apparently, my thoughts on the matter would be to get rid of the agent firstly and think what's best for me and not my agent.


We do have to keep paying them until they reach a certain age which for Croft is one year and Shaw two. The choice is pay them not to play or allow them to leave cut your losses and avoid the bad publicity.
Re: Shaw and Croft : Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:03 pm  
The Avenger wrote:
So we see 2 young players frozen out of the game, you do know that the Academy is largely funded by the RFL with Wakefield College pretty much covering player salaries till they’re 18?
Scholarship Coaches are volunteers and Academy Coaches/HoY double up as 1st team staff

The investment from the club isn’t as great as you’d imagine


I can assure you that Wakefield College do not pay a penny to any player.
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Re: Shaw and Croft : Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:06 pm  
Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:
We do have to keep paying them until they reach a certain age which for Croft is one year and Shaw two. The choice is pay them not to play or allow them to leave cut your losses and avoid the bad publicity.


What bad publicity??

Any negativity is to be aimed at the rules of the competition, not any individual club.

We are following the rules.

If a club wants to come in and buy Croft/Shaw, I'm sure Carter will be very realistic in doing a deal.

Until then, we protect our investment.
Re: Shaw and Croft : Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:50 pm  
dboy wrote:
What bad publicity??

Any negativity is to be aimed at the rules of the competition, not any individual club.

We are following the rules.

If a club wants to come in and buy Croft/Shaw, I'm sure Carter will be very realistic in doing a deal.

Until then, we protect our investment.


You don’t think being the only club to stop two young out of contract players from moving on without a transfer looks good. If you know of this scenario being attributed to any other club please let me know because I cannot think of any but my memory is not infallible.
Re: Shaw and Croft : Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:59 pm  
The only bad publicity seems to be coming from certain fans on here determined to show the club in a poor light, the boards interest is towards the club.
Re: Shaw and Croft : Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:13 pm  
Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:
You don’t think being the only club to stop two young out of contract players from moving on without a transfer looks good. If you know of this scenario being attributed to any other club please let me know because I cannot think of any but my memory is not infallible.


I don't think it "looks" like anything more than it is - a club following the rules.

There are clubs chasing Shaw and Croft and they are trying to duck their responsibilities and get players that someone else has spent a lot of time and money developing, on the cheap.

This will all be resolved in due course.
Re: Shaw and Croft : Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:16 pm  
I didn’t even realise this rule existed but following the thread it does seem to make a lot of sense, particularly when some of the clubs in a significantly better position than Wakefield choose not to spend the money on player development.

Can entirely see why any club wouldn’t want to put time money and effort into a player so they can walk away and effectively sign on a free.

Shaw has looked like he might make a decent prop, and if the rumours are to be believed has had some interest from clubs looking to pick him up cheap - so guess if that’s the case it’s time to put up or shut up.

Other side of this it also says to players that the club expects them to honour agreements made
Re: Shaw and Croft : Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:16 pm  
dboy wrote:
I don't think it "looks" like anything more than it is - a club following the rules.

There are clubs chasing Shaw and Croft and they are trying to duck their responsibilities and get players that someone else has spent a lot of time and money developing, on the cheap.

This will all be resolved in due course.
pretty much agree with you on this ,
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