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What constitutes federation trained : Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:09 pm  
So Beaumont Leigh chairman is confident that Lachlan lam will be off quota as he played 3 years at Wigan st pats.

As most of the long term federation players have children many of whom have played for local clubs presumably if this goes through there could be an untapped source of new Aussie imports

Where would we draw the line - would a season st Stanley ranges under 8 s qualify as federation trained ?

Going to be an interesting precedent
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Re: What constitutes federation trained : Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:27 pm  
Could be a good future player resource
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Re: What constitutes federation trained : Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:49 pm  
Derek needs to get Judge Rinder involved again! 100% on his side so far....
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Re: What constitutes federation trained : Tue Oct 04, 2022 5:55 am  
It’s vey simple, it’s a scam. It may or may not be legal but it’s not in the spirit of the rule.

The quota rule is in place to encourage young British talent, it’s not a punishment. It’s abused enough as it is without being further devalued.
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Re: What constitutes federation trained : Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:34 am  
It will probably include about 3 people. It's really not an issue.

For me Lam played his first professional rugby outside UK but if they decide Wigan St Pats counts then so be it.

That also means other teams can buy him too, not just Leigh.
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Re: What constitutes federation trained : Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:30 pm  
I don't have an issue with this at all, he played his first rugby over here because his dad was at Wigan. It's the same at Mitch Clark, born in Pontefract but played junior rugby in the southern hemisphere so he counts on the quota. For me it's the amount of quota players that is the problem, if we want to really help our own we'd reduce to 3 or 4.

It's worth noting as well that we used similar rules to bring John Davetanivalu to the club without using up a quota spot.
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Re: What constitutes federation trained : Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:36 pm  
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It’s vey simple, it’s a scam. It may or may not be legal but it’s not in the spirit of the rule.

The quota rule is in place to encourage young British talent, it’s not a punishment. It’s abused enough as it is without being further devalued.

Think the spirit of the rules went years ago ,when the big clubs wanted more
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Re: What constitutes federation trained : Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:42 pm  
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Think the spirit of the rules went years ago ,when the big clubs wanted more


You can't blame the big clubs.
We were the ones with a team full of overseas players.
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Re: What constitutes federation trained : Tue Oct 04, 2022 1:29 pm  
B1:17
The following definitions shall apply to Clause B1:16 above:

(a) "Federation Trained Player": a play who, for any 3 full seasons before the end of the season in which he ceases to be eligible by age to play at Under 21 level has been on the Club's register or the register of another club which plays in competitions under the jurisdiction of a member of the ERL(F). For the avoidance of doubt if a player moves from one club's register to another club's register and there is a period of no more than 28 days in the Season (as defined) and any amount of period between the 1 December and the day of the first League Match, Representative Match or Cup Tie K (whichever is sooner) between being removed from one register and being registered with another Club, consecutively shall not be broken for the purposes of this clause.


https://www.rugby-league.com/flipbooks/ ... .html#p=46

So the only real question on Lachlan Lam is;
a) Are amateur clubs like St Pats full RFL members (as the pertinent ERL(F) member in this case)
b) Did Lam complete three full Seasons.

Dont know the answer on either count

Now when it comes to the "spirit" question, it is clear from the timelines of exemptions being from 1-December to the first competitive league game that the rule is intended to refer to academies, and not the community game which is still played throughout the winter, however it cant be that prescriptive, as it would significantly complicate non traditional routes for players into SL.

More generally, restricting the number of overseas players is very challenging, as you cannot legally discriminate employing someone on the grounds of nationality, which is part of the reason why the old quota system has been removed. The "non-fed" system of gaining a "qualification" is on slightly more solid ground, but I suspect any major change on the number allowed (7) would invoke a legal threat that the RFL wouldn't want to partake in (and part of the reason we often see players exempted if theyre forced to move due to a club going bust).
B1:17
The following definitions shall apply to Clause B1:16 above:

(a) "Federation Trained Player": a play who, for any 3 full seasons before the end of the season in which he ceases to be eligible by age to play at Under 21 level has been on the Club's register or the register of another club which plays in competitions under the jurisdiction of a member of the ERL(F). For the avoidance of doubt if a player moves from one club's register to another club's register and there is a period of no more than 28 days in the Season (as defined) and any amount of period between the 1 December and the day of the first League Match, Representative Match or Cup Tie K (whichever is sooner) between being removed from one register and being registered with another Club, consecutively shall not be broken for the purposes of this clause.


https://www.rugby-league.com/flipbooks/ ... .html#p=46

So the only real question on Lachlan Lam is;
a) Are amateur clubs like St Pats full RFL members (as the pertinent ERL(F) member in this case)
b) Did Lam complete three full Seasons.

Dont know the answer on either count

Now when it comes to the "spirit" question, it is clear from the timelines of exemptions being from 1-December to the first competitive league game that the rule is intended to refer to academies, and not the community game which is still played throughout the winter, however it cant be that prescriptive, as it would significantly complicate non traditional routes for players into SL.

More generally, restricting the number of overseas players is very challenging, as you cannot legally discriminate employing someone on the grounds of nationality, which is part of the reason why the old quota system has been removed. The "non-fed" system of gaining a "qualification" is on slightly more solid ground, but I suspect any major change on the number allowed (7) would invoke a legal threat that the RFL wouldn't want to partake in (and part of the reason we often see players exempted if theyre forced to move due to a club going bust).

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