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Re: IMG : Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:11 pm  
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Well if Grade A clubs are at the bottom, it will be the next grade b club that's relegated?


Just imagine if there were 3 "A" rated clubs in the bottom 3 and you were relegated from 9th ?

It's a strange system that puts on field performance so low down the priority list.
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Re: IMG : Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:27 pm  
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Just imagine if there were 3 "A" rated clubs in the bottom 3 and you were relegated from 9th ?

It's a strange system that puts on field performance so low down the priority list.


I may be wrong but after a season all the the grade B rated club would be accessed against all the B rating clubs in Division One. They will then replace any from SL that are found to have a lower rating with those in Division One. This could be any number of B classed clubs but similarly if they don’t trace any then no team is relegated. The survival therefore depends entirely of staying ahead of at least one grade B club in SL or all the rest in the lower divisions.
The problem is that for grade B clubs they have to go through this review at the end of each season.
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Re: IMG : Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:46 pm  
I think you are living in dream kand if you think there will be a problem with so many As and Bs.
The problem has always been that we don't have enough.
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Re: IMG : Wed Sep 28, 2022 10:10 pm  
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I think you are living in dream kand if you think there will be a problem with so many As and Bs.
The problem has always been that we don't have enough.

That depends how transparent they are with the criteria and decisions. Apparently the gradings are being chosen jointly by IMG & the RFL and there will be no chance of appeal. It would be quite easy to manipulate it to suit an agenda. There could quite easily be 9 or 10 Grade A’s should they want them to be with their preferred Grade B options (say London) scoring higher than than others in that category.
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Re: IMG : Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:41 am  
Do any of you actually have the confidence in the RL to implement and run the system in a transparent and honest way, because surprise surprise I don't.
This will ultimately result in supporters being switched off and leaving the game.
I suspect the game will suffer from an effort to improve that falls well short.
Break away now and start negotiations with Channel 4 and Premier sports, let the 6 have it and see how they get on.
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Re: IMG : Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:45 am  
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Do any of you actually have the confidence in the RL to implement and run the system in a transparent and honest way, because surprise surprise I don't.
This will ultimately result in supporters being switched off and leaving the game.
I suspect the game will suffer from an effort to improve that falls well short.
Break away now and start negotiations with Channel 4 and Premier sports, let the 6 have it and see how they get on.


Break away from what and with whom?
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Re: IMG : Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:57 am  
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Do any of you actually have the confidence in the RL to implement and run the system in a transparent and honest way, because surprise surprise I don't.
This will ultimately result in supporters being switched off and leaving the game.
I suspect the game will suffer from an effort to improve that falls well short.
Break away now and start negotiations with Channel 4 and Premier sports, let the 6 have it and see how they get on.


So where was Channel 4 in the last negotiations or the ones before?

You live in a fantasy world if you believe there are any alternatives. Do you really think any broadcaster would pay 1.5 million per club per year for an un-sanctioned break away comp minus its most famous teams, just how popular do you think RL is? Bad news, it because it isn't, woman's football on the other hand.

Sorry but you need a serious reality check. Only SKY have ever shown an interest and even that's diminished. It's hardly a sellers market and RL in the northern hemisphere has very little to sell.
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Re: IMG : Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:32 am  
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Break away from what and with whom?


God knows. It's pub talk, just knee jerk stuff based on nothing tangible.

No thought as to legal challenges, costs of setting up a new comp, massive loss of earnings from not playing the big club - shows to me why accountants and businessmen run clubs these days and not the supporters, can you imagine the carnage.

What the RL should do is make a film showing RL in the early 80's, with many of its players out of shape, playing in front of tiny crowds, in victorian sheds in the freezing cold and remind people how the game has improved. Sure it could be way better and should be, but this throw the baby out with the bath water mentality is destroying the game.

People need to grow up and adapt to the new world. Like it or not we are never going back to the sixties era of Bovril, Woodbines and local heroes. It's a commercial world and it's a commercial game. We retain what we can but we must adapt to survive. People can slag McManus and Heathrington but all they have done wrong is be smarter than the rest.

It's a very human thing to want to drag people down to your level, but the smart thing to do is to drag yourself up to their level. That's what we are slowly doing.
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Re: IMG : Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:46 am  
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God knows. It's pub talk, just knee jerk stuff based on nothing tangible.

No thought as to legal challenges, costs of setting up a new comp, massive loss of earnings from not playing the big club - shows to me why accountants and businessmen run clubs these days and not the supporters, can you imagine the carnage.

What the RL should do is make a film showing RL in the early 80's, with many of its players out of shape, playing in front of tiny crowds, in victorian sheds in the freezing cold and remind people how the game has improved. Sure it could be way better and should be, but this throw the baby out with the bath water mentality is destroying the game.

People need to grow up and adapt to the new world. Like it or not we are never going back to the sixties era of Bovril, Woodbines and local heroes. It's a commercial world and it's a commercial game. We retain what we can but we must adapt to survive. People can slag McManus and Heathrington but all they have done wrong is be smarter than the rest.

It's a very human thing to want to drag people down to your level, but the smart thing to do is to drag yourself up to their level. That's what we are slowly doing.


It's certainly a positive aspiration to want to improve each and every club both on and off the field.
The serious issue here is that ANY range of criteria could be changed to suit an agenda.

There are comments in the IMG "report" about expanding the game and whilst it infers this would be in the UK, it does not specifically say so and it further suggests that "initially" overseas clubs will be capped at 2.

Are we going to be back to the Toronto scenario or, having consortiums wanting to buy clubs to move them to a "new" city etc.

Once you move away from on field performance deciding promotion and relegation, you are opening up a real can of worms and things can, and no doubt will be manipulated to engineer a particular outcome.

We could have a situation where a club is relegated from mid table to accommodate a lower league club with a certain number of plastic seats ?

There were many, many grey areas left in their "report" and the key omission was funding and just how we increase the broadcasting deal and lets face it, without a TV deal, the game is screwed
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Re: IMG : Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:01 am  
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It's certainly a positive aspiration to want to improve each and every club both on and off the field.
The serious issue here is that ANY range of criteria could be changed to suit an agenda.

There are comments in the IMG "report" about expanding the game and whilst it infers this would be in the UK, it does not specifically say so and it further suggests that "initially" overseas clubs will be capped at 2.

Are we going to be back to the Toronto scenario or, having consortiums wanting to buy clubs to move them to a "new" city etc.

Once you move away from on field performance deciding promotion and relegation, you are opening up a real can of worms and things can, and no doubt will be manipulated to engineer a particular outcome.

We could have a situation where a club is relegated from mid table to accommodate a lower league club with a certain number of plastic seats ?

There were many, many grey areas left in their "report" and the key omission was funding and just how we increase the broadcasting deal and lets face it, without a TV deal, the game is screwed


I'm not talking about the proposal such as they are. I was purely commentating on the idea of some kind of break away.

The only way to change the way RL is run is from the inside. This is not the FA or even Brexit, RL is a tiny sport with only a relatively low value, no sport could need a civil war less than we do.

It's now up to those who run the clubs to hammer out the best strategy possible within the limited room for manoeuvre that the sport has. We certainly can't afford to isolate SKY with talk of break aways, suicidal for the wider game and plays into the hands of the greedy elite.
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