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York don't have an Academy or the off field infrastructure in place, we do. Ditto London and Newcastle though they do have academies but it would be interesting, especially in Londons case, just how secure a deal they have with their landlords.

What this is showing to me is that our BOD's seem to have anticipated what was coming much better than some others - most notably our neighbours over the common.

In fact I'd be furious if I were a Cas fan, because their BOD's seem determined to stick to the principle that on field results alone will save them.

No Academy, a ground that is now quite some way behind ours and IMHO at least five years off happening. Yet they still seem to spend every penny on players - ditto Salford.



I expect to see a number of clubs across leagues hastily setting up academies and joining the reserves comp.

I hope we stay ahead of the game (we are very good in this area) and keep investing in academy and reserves. The academy/scholarship more so as like saints show it ends up benefiting the club and first team substantially over the years.
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Re: IMG Sat Oct 01, 2022 1:44 pm  
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vastman wrote:
York don't have an Academy or the off field infrastructure in place, we do. Ditto London and Newcastle though they do have academies but it would be interesting, especially in Londons case, just how secure a deal they have with their landlords.

What this is showing to me is that our BOD's seem to have anticipated what was coming much better than some others - most notably our neighbours over the common.

In fact I'd be furious if I were a Cas fan, because their BOD's seem determined to stick to the principle that on field results alone will save them.

No Academy, a ground that is now quite some way behind ours and IMHO at least five years off happening. Yet they still seem to spend every penny on players - ditto Salford.


Cas do have an Academy
Re: IMG Sat Oct 01, 2022 4:18 pm  
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I expect to see a number of clubs across leagues hastily setting up academies and joining the reserves comp.

I hope we stay ahead of the game (we are very good in this area) and keep investing in academy and reserves. The academy/scholarship more so as like saints show it ends up benefiting the club and first team substantially over the years.


They can do that but they won't be elite Academies and come 2027 I can't see the incumbents giving up easily.
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Re: IMG Sat Oct 01, 2022 4:21 pm  
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Cas do have an Academy


No mate, sorry but you have an under 19's and maybe an U17's? But not an elite Academy. There is a big difference. I was surprised you didn't get one but even your own fans say the club stupidly neglected it despite being warned.

Not to say you won't produce some talent from your juniors, Cas is still a hotbed. But because you don't get central funding you won't get the pick and it will cost you directly.
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Re: IMG Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:55 pm  
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No mate, sorry but you have an under 19's and maybe an U17's? But not an elite Academy. There is a big difference. I was surprised you didn't get one but even your own fans say the club stupidly neglected it despite being warned.

Not to say you won't produce some talent from your juniors, Cas is still a hotbed. But because you don't get central funding you won't get the pick and it will cost you directly.

Cas (along with Bradford & Hull KR) were awarded a funded probationary elite licence shortly after the original announcement to cover this year and next with the proviso that if they show progress it will be extended to full term.

Whatever the criteria set for the IMG gradings then by way of fairness they have to be or have been achievable for all parties. For that reason i wouldn’t be surprised if the initial weighting towards academies is quite low, with it becoming a more significant part further down the line. The goalposts have now moved and many of the clubs (York being a prime example) could point at not being awarded an elite licence as an insurmountable barrier to their ambitions that wasn’t a factor previously. If this is held against them it could lead to several legal challenges and a lot of in fighting which is the last thing that the game needs. I’d expect in the first instance an in depth funded plan to introduce development strategies to carry a similar weighting with tough monitoring moving forward as to its implementation. I’ve a feeling ‘planning’ is going to play a big part first up, but those plans will have to be watertight.
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Cas (along with Bradford & Hull KR) were awarded a funded probationary elite licence shortly after the original announcement to cover this year and next with the proviso that if they show progress it will be extended to full term.

Whatever the criteria set for the IMG gradings then by way of fairness they have to be or have been achievable for all parties. For that reason i wouldn’t be surprised if the initial weighting towards academies is quite low, with it becoming a more significant part further down the line. The goalposts have now moved and many of the clubs (York being a prime example) could point at not being awarded an elite licence as an insurmountable barrier to their ambitions that wasn’t a factor previously. If this is held against them it could lead to several legal challenges and a lot of in fighting which is the last thing that the game needs. I’d expect in the first instance an in depth funded plan to introduce development strategies to carry a similar weighting with tough monitoring moving forward as to its implementation. I’ve a feeling ‘planning’ is going to play a big part first up, but those plans will have to be watertight.


Serves me right for reading and believing the RFL website.

So they have a kind of semi elite academy, meaning elite is not quite so elite, only on RL :lol:
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I’ve just been reading the League Express and there is a an article (bottom right page 3) regarding some clubs backing the IMG proposals, and John Minards is one who Backs the proposal. I would hope the club hold another fans forum to allow MC and JM, to explain the benefits not just for the game but for Trinity in particular, because I, as most on here are Rugby League supporters, we are Trinity Fans First .
Now everyone has taken few days to read and think about the proposals, I get the feeling that he initial good feeling for the idea, people are beginning to have second thoughts.
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If all they do is market the game properly then it benefits Wakefield Trinity.
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If all they do is market the game properly then it benefits Wakefield Trinity.

Pop Tart, I’m an old cynic when it comes to RL management. No matter how well the game is marketed, there will be some clubs it will not benefit equally, as we all know some clubs are more equal than others. Remember this, Grade “A” clubs will not be relegated no matter how bad they perform, and grade B&C clubs will be moved around like chess pawns to ensure the top tier maintains Status Quo. It will take years for some established clubs to get a sniff of an A grade, by which time some clubs will no longer exist. I’ve not seen any information that suggests a league of more than 14 “A” graders. So once that 14 club league is completed and no one relegated, what then?
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I’ve just been reading the League Express and there is a an article (bottom right page 3) regarding some clubs backing the IMG proposals, and John Minards is one who Backs the proposal. I would hope the club hold another fans forum to allow MC and JM, to explain the benefits not just for the game but for Trinity in particular, because I, as most on here are Rugby League supporters, we are Trinity Fans First .
Now everyone has taken few days to read and think about the proposals, I get the feeling that he initial good feeling for the idea, people are beginning to have second thoughts.


Maybe, at this stage, they want to be seen as being on board.
Any club, being strongly against the changes, could find themselves with a steeper hill to climb.

Let's be honest here, whichever set of criteria is put forward will help some clubs more than others and certainly, if different aspects are weighted more heavily than others, certain clubs will benefit.
Even though they have said there will be no mergers, IF part of the criteria is proximity to other clubs, this would hepl say, London, York and Newcastle and would count in the minus column for us.
Having said that, details need to be given to clubs at the earliest opportunity, so that they can get on with counting plastic seats and toilets with a closing lid etc.
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