FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - Stadium and other issues
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman35916
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 13 200419 years15th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
29th Mar 24 09:2029th Mar 24 09:16LINK
Milestone Posts
30000
40000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Poodle Power!
Signature
SUPPORT SWAG...

Stadium and other issues : Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:06 am  
Ok, I'm still trying to digest what was discussed last night, far wider than I expected. So what I'm going to do is drip feed stuff through as things get confirmed or become more relevant. Please keep an eye on this thread because it won't just be about the stadium, but also potential investors, ways to invest, ways to help if you so wish.

So I'll kick it off with the North stand. Part of the scaling back of the North stand was a cost saving, however it needs pointing out that there were other reasons for changing, not just the plan but also the method. In the past few years (since the original plans) the terrace has degraded faster than expected. Hence the original method considered was proving less viable. No need to go into too much detail, but rather than replacing the terrace we are now building over it. Below is an image taken yesterday that shows way better than I can explain just how bad the terrace has become. I was shocked as you don't really notice it on match day.

This form of over terracing can be taken further towards the back of the stand as required but for now the club deems the expected new capacity of the North stand more than adequate.

PLEASE PLEASE NOTE, there will be nothing about players so if you don't mind please refrain, there are plenty of other threads for that.

Image
This post contains an image, if you are the copyright owner and would like this image removed then please contact support@rlfans.com
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2306No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 16 200915 years185th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
29th Mar 24 11:2729th Mar 24 10:27LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Stadium and other issues : Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:17 am  
I stood in the North Stand for the first time in nearly 15 years against Hull KR and was shocked at how poor it really was. I walked past the bit you've highlighted and couldn't believe it was allowed in this day and age.
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain343
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 31 20195 years230th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
29th Mar 24 08:4223rd Mar 24 11:28LINK
Milestone Posts
250
500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Stadium and other issues : Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:22 am  
vastman wrote:
Ok, I'm still trying to digest what was discussed last night, far wider than I expected. So what I'm going to do is drip feed stuff through as things get confirmed or become more relevant. Please keep an eye on this thread because it won't just be about the stadium, but also potential investors, ways to invest, ways to help if you so wish.

So I'll kick it off with the North stand. Part of the scaling back of the North stand was a cost saving, however it needs pointing out that there were other reasons for changing, not just the plan but also the method. In the past few years (since the original plans) the terrace has degraded faster than expected. Hence the original method considered was proving less viable. No need to go into too much detail, but rather than replacing the terrace we are now building over it. Below is an image taken yesterday that shows way better than I can explain just how bad the terrace has become. I was shocked as you don't really notice it on match day.

This form of over terracing can be taken further towards the back of the stand as required but for now the club deems the expected new capacity of the North stand more than adequate.

PLEASE PLEASE NOTE, there will be nothing about players so if you don't mind please refrain, there are plenty of other threads for that.

Image


That change in level has been there since I can remember (1978 onwards), and it used to have those old tubular barriers against it, as well as some of that bent steel fence that still survives around some of the pitch. I used to notice it when wandering around the old program shed that used to sit there next to the old scoreboard. I don’t believe it is a new thing or is getting worse.

Sounds like a pretext to me.
This post contains an image, if you are the copyright owner and would like this image removed then please contact support@rlfans.com
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman35916
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 13 200419 years15th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
29th Mar 24 09:2029th Mar 24 09:16LINK
Milestone Posts
30000
40000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Poodle Power!
Signature
SUPPORT SWAG...

Re: Stadium and other issues : Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:22 am  
imwakefieldtillidie wrote:
I stood in the North Stand for the first time in nearly 15 years against Hull KR and was shocked at how poor it really was. I walked past the bit you've highlighted and couldn't believe it was allowed in this day and age.


Technically it isn't, that's part of the problem. We simply had to replace it, it wasn't a choice it was an order. It would have been closed for next year or at best reduced to a few hundred.

In a way it's as vital as the East stand in a different way.

As stated before, although the West terrace looks a bit of a mess, structurally its totally sound and requires no work to get a safety certificate.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach4125No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 01 200717 years136th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
29th Mar 24 12:5229th Mar 24 10:27LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
IN A FIELD LOOKING AT THE STARS
Signature
WAKEFIELD FANS ARE BORN, NOT MANUFACTURED.WE DO NOT CHOOSE, WE ARE CHOSEN. THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND NEED NO EXPLANATION. THOSE WHO DONT, DONT MATTER.

I AM THE SEEKER OF TRUTH AND
JUSTICE

Re: Stadium and other issues : Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:27 am  
vastman wrote:
Ok, I'm still trying to digest what was discussed last night, far wider than I expected. So what I'm going to do is drip feed stuff through as things get confirmed or become more relevant. Please keep an eye on this thread because it won't just be about the stadium, but also potential investors, ways to invest, ways to help if you so wish.

So I'll kick it off with the North stand. Part of the scaling back of the North stand was a cost saving, however it needs pointing out that there were other reasons for changing, not just the plan but also the method. In the past few years (since the original plans) the terrace has degraded faster than expected. Hence the original method considered was proving less viable. No need to go into too much detail, but rather than replacing the terrace we are now building over it. Below is an image taken yesterday that shows way better than I can explain just how bad the terrace has become. I was shocked as you don't really notice it on match day.

This form of over terracing can be taken further towards the back of the stand as required but for now the club deems the expected new capacity of the North stand more than adequate.

PLEASE PLEASE NOTE, there will be nothing about players so if you don't mind please refrain, there are plenty of other threads for that.

Image

How much of a shortfall in money Is there from the original plans to the new ones and is every penny which we have been given getting spent or is some getting held back
This post contains an image, if you are the copyright owner and would like this image removed then please contact support@rlfans.com
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman35916
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 13 200419 years15th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
29th Mar 24 09:2029th Mar 24 09:16LINK
Milestone Posts
30000
40000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Poodle Power!
Signature
SUPPORT SWAG...

Re: Stadium and other issues : Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:28 am  
BackSeatCoach wrote:
That change in level has been there since I can remember (1978 onwards), and it used to have those old tubular barriers against it, as well as some of that bent steel fence that still survives around some of the pitch. I used to notice it when wandering around the old program shed that used to sit there next to the old scoreboard. I don’t believe it is a new thing or is getting worse.

Sounds like a pretext to me.


Wow that didn't take long.

S you know better than the council surveyors do you, unbelievable comment. Bore holes were sunk a few weeks ago and a scan was done, It's not just the shape which incidentally is worse it's whats happening underneath, but you being an expert you'd know that, incredible just incredible.

Tell you what you get on to the Council and you tell them they are wrong and shouldn't shut the terrace, tell them it's a pretext :roll:

I honestly don't know why we have directors or engineers or safety officers when all we need to do is consult you.
Last edited by vastman on Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:36 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman35916
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 13 200419 years15th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
29th Mar 24 09:2029th Mar 24 09:16LINK
Milestone Posts
30000
40000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Poodle Power!
Signature
SUPPORT SWAG...

Re: Stadium and other issues : Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:33 am  
MOPSEY LIVES ON wrote:
How much of a shortfall in money Is there from the original plans to the new ones and is every penny which we have been given getting spent or is some getting held back


Don't think I'm talking out of turn here. The original plan was to hold a bit back. Not for players but purely to upgrade other parts of the ground. That's totally out of the window. For the past two months we have been chipping away at the plans just to keep them within budget. I actually got the impression that the directors had begged and borrowed a bit more to make up the difference, that's how bad it is. Prices of both labour and especially materials have gone through the roof.

For example steal price have virtually doubled, but the scrap price has fallen, yet the demolitions cost have risen- you can't win.

Nothing and I mean nothing has reduced in cost.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain2709
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 10 20195 years59th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
29th Mar 24 19:5629th Mar 24 13:28LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Horbury, a small town in Wakefield

Re: Stadium and other issues : Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:21 am  
vastman wrote:
Don't think I'm talking out of turn here. The original plan was to hold a bit back. Not for players but purely to upgrade other parts of the ground. That's totally out of the window. For the past two :D months we have been chipping away at the plans just to keep them within budget. I actually got the impression that the directors had begged and borrowed a bit more to make up the difference, that's how bad it is. Prices of both labour and especially materials have gone through the roof.

For example steal price have virtually doubled, but the scrap price has fallen, yet the demolitions cost have risen- you can't win.

Nothing and I mean nothing has reduced in cost.

I know you’re not everyone’s cup of tea on here Vasty, but thanks for the information now and hopefully future re ground updates. I think everyone on here is keen for regular updates, and if it’s not from the club (disappointedly) then I suppose from you we have the next best thing. :D
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Fringe Player748
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 06 20222 years117th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
29th Mar 24 19:5729th Mar 24 02:44LINK
Milestone Posts
500
1000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Stadium and other issues : Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:32 am  
Double post
Last edited by Spookisback on Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:33 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Fringe Player748
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 06 20222 years117th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
29th Mar 24 19:5729th Mar 24 02:44LINK
Milestone Posts
500
1000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Stadium and other issues : Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:32 am  
vastman wrote:
Wow that didn't take long.

S you know better than the council surveyors do you, unbelievable comment. Bore holes were sunk a few weeks ago and a scan was done, It's not just the shape which incidentally is worse it's whats happening underneath, but you being an expert you'd know that, incredible just incredible.

Tell you what you get on to the Council and you tell them they are wrong and shouldn't shut the terrace, tell them it's a pretext :roll:

I honestly don't know why we have directors or engineers or safety officers when all we need to do is consult you.


I would assume that the work done to take into account the levels on the north terrace (I too remember the area which had loop topped fencing separating the levels) was either short term or sub standard… that said…I’m not at all surprised at the deterioration of the sub structure… hopefully the new structure is a long term solution…
Next

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: AgbriggAmbler, Bing [Bot], Lockers700, nanker, The Avenger, Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo and 277 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to Wakefield Trinity


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
2m
Connections to the head
Start@1873
1
10m
TV games not Wire
matt_wire
2887
11m
Halifax H
Bullseye
43
14m
The Record-Breaking Good Friday Derby Massacre
Tarquin Fueg
287
15m
RIP Phil Lowe
Captain Dave
11
18m
Fevround 2
Start@1873
115
21m
Video Ref decisions
MR FRISK
1
31m
Rd 6 I Cas A
fanstanningl
165
32m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
Trebor1
1401
38m
Saints a
The Yellow G
96
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Rd 6 I Cas A
fanstanningl
165
1m
TV Games - Not Hull
ComeOnYouUll
1393
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
56090
1m
Wigan/Saints
matt_wire
5
1m
Ky Rodwell
Trojan Horse
113
2m
New Super League shirts in time for Christmas
Deadcowboys1
120
2m
Huddersfield - Home
Smithers99
11
2m
Investment
Bully_Boxer
32
2m
State of the Nation
UllFC
232
2m
RIP Phil Lowe
Captain Dave
11
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Connections to the head
Start@1873
1
TODAY
Video Ref decisions
MR FRISK
1
TODAY
St Helens Win Derby Game Over Wigan Warriors To Go Top
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Why have so many big clubs given up on the field
RobRiches
2
TODAY
Early Season Double for Hull KR Over Neighbours FC
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Protest
Tarquin Fueg
32
TODAY
New Investors
BullRaider
2
TODAY
Wigan/Saints
matt_wire
5
TODAY
Another Tigers Defeat As Rhinos Go Level Top
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
York - 14th April
PopTart
23
TODAY
Stats article
Sir Gregory
5
TODAY
21 man Squads - Devils v Leopards
WYSIWYG2
5
TODAY
Squad for Catalan
CW8
19
TODAY
The Wigan Way - New Podcast - Chairman Special
Jukesays
1
TODAY
Dons v Swinton Lions 30 June 2024
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad for Sheffield
Wanderer
3
TODAY
London Away
Fartown58
1
TODAY
The Bulls away
Highlander
10
TODAY
The official Leon Hayes Thread
Smiffy27
18
TODAY
Saints a
The Yellow G
96
TODAY
Leon Ruan signs on loan
Jemmo
2
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
St Helens Win Derby Game Over ..
169
Early Season Double for Hull K..
171
Another Tigers Defeat As Rhino..
228
Cup Quarter Final TV Arrangeme..
648
2024 Challenge Cup Quarter Fin..
750
Easy Does It For The Dragons A..
617
Warrington Demolish London For..
719
Leigh Leopards Beat Plucky Fea..
778
Saints Triumph Over Disappoint..
758
Easy Win for the Wolves Over L..
990
Dragons Condemn Castleford To ..
953
Leigh Leopards Secure First Po..
1108
St Helens Tame The Rhinos To W..
1078
Wigan Warriors Come From Behin..
1140
Betfred Championship and Leagu..
1122
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.57M 2,845 80,00114,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 TODAY
National Rugby League 2024-R4
 FT
Hover 
Souths
20-16
Canterbury
 FT
Hover 
Brisbane
38-12
NQL Cowboys
Mens Super League XXVIII-R6
 FT 
Hull KR
34-10
Hull FC
Championship 2024-R2
 FT 
Widnes
28-10
Swinton
Mens Super League XXVIII-R6
 FT 
St.Helens
12-4
Wigan
Championship 2024-R2
 FT 
Whitehaven
23-22
Barrow
 FT 
Doncaster
20-26
Sheffield
 FT 
Dewsbury
24-4
Batley
 FT 
Featherstone
12-20
Wakefield
League One 2024-R2
 FT 
Hunslet
14-42
Keighley
Championship 2024-R2
 FT 
Bradford
29-10
Halifax
 Sun 7th Apr
Championship 2024-R3
15:00
Doncaster
v
Wakefield
 Sun 12th May 2024
1895 Cup 2024-R5
15:00
Bradford
v
Wakefield
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Fri 29th Mar
SL
12:30
Hull KR34-10Hull FC
SL
15:00
St.Helens12-4Wigan
Sat 30th Mar
SL
15:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
17:30
Salford-Leigh
Sun 31st Mar
SL
15:00
LondonB-Huddersfield
L1
15:00
Oldham-Rochdale
Thu 4th Apr
SL
20:00
Leigh-Wigan
Fri 5th Apr
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
Hull KR-LondonB
SL
20:00
Leeds-Warrington
Sat 6th Apr
SL
15:00
Hull FC-Huddersfield
SL
17:30
Catalans-St.Helens
Sat 13th Apr
CC2024
17:00
Hull KR-Leigh
Sun 14th Apr
CC2024
16:30
St.Helens-Warrington
Fri 19th Apr
SL
20:00
Leeds-Huddersfield
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Wigan-Castleford
Sat 20th Apr
SL
15:00
Warrington-Leigh
SL
17:30
Catalans-Hull KR
Sun 21st Apr
SL
15:00
LondonB-Salford
Fri 29th Mar
SL
LIVE
Hull KR34-10Hull FC
SL
LIVE
St.Helens12-4Wigan
L1
LIVE
Hunslet14-42Keighley
NRL
LIVE
Souths20-16Canterbury
NRL
LIVE
Brisbane38-12NQL Cowboys
CH
LIVE
Whitehaven23-22Barrow
CH
LIVE
Widnes28-10Swinton
CH
LIVE
Featherstone12-20Wakefield
CH
LIVE
Bradford29-10Halifax
CH
LIVE
Dewsbury24-4Batley
CH
LIVE
Doncaster20-26Sheffield
Thu 28th Mar
SL 6 Castleford6-26Leeds
NRL 4 Sydney16-22Penrith
Sun 24th Mar
CC2024 6 Halifax4-40Catalans
NRL 3 Parramatta28-24Manly
NRL 3 Newcastle14-12Melbourne
L1 1 Cornwall16-40Crusaders
L1 1 Keighley58-16Workington
L1 1 Midlands70-16Newcastle
L1 1 Rochdale24-26Hunslet
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
St.Helens 6 130 44 86 10
Warrington 5 156 58 98 8
Wigan 5 148 66 82 8
Catalans 5 126 54 72 8
Hull KR 6 132 73 59 8
Leeds 6 108 88 20 8
 
Salford 5 95 96 -1 6
Huddersfield 5 94 98 -4 4
Leigh 4 82 54 28 2
Hull FC 6 64 196 -132 2
Castleford 6 62 204 -142 0
LondonB 5 54 220 -166 0
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Widnes 2 72 18 54 4
Wakefield 2 62 24 38 4
Sheffield 2 50 42 8 4
Whitehaven 2 41 38 3 4
Doncaster 2 56 46 10 2
Dewsbury 2 34 28 6 2
 
Featherstone 2 36 40 -4 2
Halifax 2 34 39 -5 2
Bradford 2 41 52 -11 2
Toulouse 1 22 24 -2 0
York 1 20 36 -16 0
Swinton 2 26 46 -20 0
Batley 2 24 48 -24 0
Barrow 2 30 67 -37 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
2m
Connections to the head
Start@1873
1
10m
TV games not Wire
matt_wire
2887
11m
Halifax H
Bullseye
43
14m
The Record-Breaking Good Friday Derby Massacre
Tarquin Fueg
287
15m
RIP Phil Lowe
Captain Dave
11
18m
Fevround 2
Start@1873
115
21m
Video Ref decisions
MR FRISK
1
31m
Rd 6 I Cas A
fanstanningl
165
32m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
Trebor1
1401
38m
Saints a
The Yellow G
96
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Rd 6 I Cas A
fanstanningl
165
1m
TV Games - Not Hull
ComeOnYouUll
1393
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
56090
1m
Wigan/Saints
matt_wire
5
1m
Ky Rodwell
Trojan Horse
113
2m
New Super League shirts in time for Christmas
Deadcowboys1
120
2m
Huddersfield - Home
Smithers99
11
2m
Investment
Bully_Boxer
32
2m
State of the Nation
UllFC
232
2m
RIP Phil Lowe
Captain Dave
11
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Connections to the head
Start@1873
1
TODAY
Video Ref decisions
MR FRISK
1
TODAY
St Helens Win Derby Game Over Wigan Warriors To Go Top
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Why have so many big clubs given up on the field
RobRiches
2
TODAY
Early Season Double for Hull KR Over Neighbours FC
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Protest
Tarquin Fueg
32
TODAY
New Investors
BullRaider
2
TODAY
Wigan/Saints
matt_wire
5
TODAY
Another Tigers Defeat As Rhinos Go Level Top
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
York - 14th April
PopTart
23
TODAY
Stats article
Sir Gregory
5
TODAY
21 man Squads - Devils v Leopards
WYSIWYG2
5
TODAY
Squad for Catalan
CW8
19
TODAY
The Wigan Way - New Podcast - Chairman Special
Jukesays
1
TODAY
Dons v Swinton Lions 30 June 2024
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad for Sheffield
Wanderer
3
TODAY
London Away
Fartown58
1
TODAY
The Bulls away
Highlander
10
TODAY
The official Leon Hayes Thread
Smiffy27
18
TODAY
Saints a
The Yellow G
96
TODAY
Leon Ruan signs on loan
Jemmo
2
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
St Helens Win Derby Game Over ..
169
Early Season Double for Hull K..
171
Another Tigers Defeat As Rhino..
228
Cup Quarter Final TV Arrangeme..
648
2024 Challenge Cup Quarter Fin..
750
Easy Does It For The Dragons A..
617
Warrington Demolish London For..
719
Leigh Leopards Beat Plucky Fea..
778
Saints Triumph Over Disappoint..
758
Easy Win for the Wolves Over L..
990
Dragons Condemn Castleford To ..
953
Leigh Leopards Secure First Po..
1108
St Helens Tame The Rhinos To W..
1078
Wigan Warriors Come From Behin..
1140
Betfred Championship and Leagu..
1122


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!