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Re: Stand off - playmaker - game controller. : Fri Sep 16, 2022 8:05 am  

Sorry, I just realised this isn't the MA thread.

In terms of Stand off, we absolutely do need a strong player in this position. I don't mind so much that Miller has gone but his position in the team needs to be appreciated when replacing.

Re: Stand off - playmaker - game controller. : Fri Sep 16, 2022 8:08 am  

vastman wrote:

But it only works like that in theory. I get the theory but it rarely works.

I wouldn’t mind but we’ve just had Miller for those peak years and people have done nothing but moan about him. Yet Cas seem happy to pay him more money in his older years.

It’s all about team balance and if that’s right age matters not so long as the coach knows when the older player has finally gone over the edge.

That's very true to be fair, we've a very fickle fan base at times.

Re: Stand off - playmaker - game controller. : Fri Sep 16, 2022 8:09 am  

alegend wrote:

Vastman just saying when Finn came here and Toppo was at Hull, what kind of team they had around them .Do not think it is fair to switch to last season to make your point about Arona and Dave .Think you should have put ,,some fans on here wanted rid of them ,,.I was not one of them ,and think there would be 95% of Wakefield fans who would feel the same. Did you not go to the last HKR match at home and the last game against Huddersfield to see what the fans though about Dave and Arona .Best send of i have seen for two players leaving Wakefield ever ,and I have watched Wakefield for 65 plus years

Correct I was not especially aiming it at you, it’s a general thing that happens at Trinity. Players only become truly appreciated when they leave.

I’m dreading the backlash on Miller as I reckon Cas have scored a real coup. They will ignore that MC stated his intent to keep him and his frustration at missing out. They will definitely ignore the fact that they all said how inconsistent he was blah blah. It will have to be someone’s fault.

Re: Stand off - playmaker - game controller. : Fri Sep 16, 2022 8:34 am  

chissitt wrote:

In case you'd forgotten Arona's first name is Tinirau, or Tinni to his special mates like Barnsley Gull

Quite right.

Re: Stand off - playmaker - game controller. : Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:57 am  

I think the main problem with signing players over 30 is, it's seen as short termism. However, if we had 13 38 year olds and we got in the top 4 and won the cup then who cares if the next season they all retire and we are crap again?! What's the point of signing 'experience' in any position if we finish 10th all the time?! I'd rather watch an 18 year old and finish 10th than a has-been. It nearly worked with Finn, it just all clicked for 2 seasons along with the likes of England, BJB, Grix etc. It's gonna be very interesting over the coming weeks as regards signings......

Re: Stand off - playmaker - game controller. : Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:29 pm  

Wildcatnomore wrote:

I think the main problem with signing players over 30 is, it's seen as short termism. However, if we had 13 38 year olds and we got in the top 4 and won the cup then who cares if the next season they all retire and we are crap again?! What's the point of signing 'experience' in any position if we finish 10th all the time?! I'd rather watch an 18 year old and finish 10th than a has-been. It nearly worked with Finn, it just all clicked for 2 seasons along with the likes of England, BJB, Grix etc. It's gonna be very interesting over the coming weeks as regards signings......

Depends on the balance. In our case we are predominantly a young team. Relatively few players who are well into they’re thirties.

We have plenty of players in the early to mid 20’s group.

We have a SH whose exactly that. Do we need another similar to Lino or do we need an older more seasoned partner for him.. what Lino needs is a Finn not another Lino.

Like it or not you have to have older players, they act as the cement.

I think Mash will go with youth but don’t expect him to be totally biased. He will sign older players, possibly ones nearly as old as him! He knows that and he will do it.

Re: Stand off - playmaker - game controller. : Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:02 pm  

He will also have to have an eye on the season after this as Lino’s contract is up after this season. Does he go for an established player for a year to play with lino and see how they go? Or Does he want to keep him or look for a whole new long term half back pairing?

Re: Stand off - playmaker - game controller. : Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:23 pm  

vastman wrote:

Correct I was not especially aiming it at you, it’s a general thing that happens at Trinity. Players only become truly appreciated when they leave.

I’m dreading the backlash on Miller as I reckon Cas have scored a real coup. They will ignore that MC stated his intent to keep him and his frustration at missing out. They will definitely ignore the fact that they all said how inconsistent he was blah blah. It will have to be someone’s fault.

Miller going is a big blow .I would place him in the top four stand-off in S L and number one in tackling .All ways gave100% .and if off form with the ball,is tackling made up for that .Going to be a hard to find some one on par .And hope the club are willing to spend some good cash to replace him ,and not go for a cheep option .Would go as far to say if we had kept him think we could have got through the season with what we got now

Re: Stand off - playmaker - game controller. : Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:25 pm  

alegend wrote:

Miller going is a big blow .I would place him in the top four stand-off in S L and number one in tackling .All ways gave100% .and if off form with the ball,is tackling made up for that .Going to be a hard to find some one on par .And hope the club are willing to spend some good cash to replace him ,and not go for a cheep option .Would go as far to say if we had kept him think we could have got through the season with what we got now

Not sure about that. But he’s easily the hardest to replace and the one that gave us continuity.

Arona is a hard act to follow but his kind of player are around.

As a player Dave can be replaced, he’s not the best overseas player we’ve ever had. As a bloke and a terrace icon there will never be another like the big bopper.

Batch and Aydin are blows but there is similar coming through.

But Milky is in pure RL terms the only really big loss.

Re: Stand off - playmaker - game controller. : Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:16 pm  

Early on in the season Millers defence was lacking, remember that match winning tackle Murphy made against Wire? He really saved his captains bacon that day.

He turned it around though and the second part of the season came good.

Why he was so poor for large parts of the year who knows? He's always been a bit of an engima, not unlike Ben Jeffries. When hes on fire he is class, doesn't happen for a sustained period of time though.

I think it's the right time to move on for both parties, if he doesn't hit the ground running at Cas the support base will quickly turn on him.