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Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:49 pm  
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Egg Chasing wrote:
I hate St Helens with every fibre of my being. This would still be a terrible decision if it was John Bateman or Liam Farrell. Firstly because it was a poor tackle and second because of the can of worms it now opens.

I said last week that Martin couldn't be allowed to get off from his ban (which was a joke decision in the first place) because of the ramifications for the sport and I stand by that this week. Expect there to be appeals and then 2nd appeals galore next season with experts turning up and lawyers looking at every single word used in the minutes for any form of contradiction/error. Not to mention players just pointing to this whenever they get banned for a chicken wing tackle that doesn't actually injure the player.

That sounds like it’d be expensive for clubs

Personally I think it’s a great thing. Less bans all round please
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Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:51 pm  
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Maybe from Wiganers it’s partly because it’s Saints but across the game I feel Saints have a very good reputation and that hasn’t stopped people from all angles piling in. I’ve seen numerous players and officials from various Superleague and Championship clubs calling the decision a disgrace. It isn’t because it’s St Helens, it’s because it’s a disgrace. Saints fans themselves know that. They, like we all would, will take it but if they’re honest they know it’s a ban every single day of the week and they would be appalled if it was flipped and an opposition teams player got off.

Knowles only got 2 games because they want him available for the World Cup. Unfortunately to only give him two games, they needed to make out the act wasn’t hugely dangerous and it’s left them wide open to having to turn it over completely. It’s the biggest shambles I can ever recall in terms of a disciplinary outcome but the fact it’s come in 2022 feels inevitable.


Not sure it’s as much of a shambles as allowing Bateman to use up his suspension on games he was never going to play, if we’re honest.

The whole thing is a shambles. It has been all year
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Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:53 pm  
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Egg Chasing wrote:
Or look at it another way.

Wigan beat Leeds, Bateman is banned for 3 games.

Wigan appeal and he is still banned for 3 games BUT the minutes say something like, it was a bad tackle with no regard for player safety but the game is fast paced and players sometimes end up making tackles they didn't intend to make.

Wigan appeal again and he gets off because the wording says he didn't intend to do it meaning it was an accident rather than a bad tackle with no regard for player safety.

Would that be ok?

Don’t think it’s comparable. Would depend on the tackle and how bad it was and the offence. A lot of the time deeming it careless rather than reckless doesn’t let them escape a ban

The thing here was the first panel essentially ruled that he wasn’t guilty of the charge he was up for, but charged him with it anyway. It’s an absolute farce and you’d expect a lot better from a panel that was headed by a judge.
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Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:46 pm  
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The Reaper wrote:
Not sure it’s as much of a shambles as allowing Bateman to use up his suspension on games he was never going to play, if we’re honest.

The whole thing is a shambles. It has been all year


I agree, it’s all a complete and utter shambles and debating which decision is more shambolic then the next is pointless really. I look at Martin missing two play off games for his ‘bad challenge’ and then I see Knowles playing in a Grand Final and Bateman using games up in B fixtures and it sums it all up. An absolute farce and self harm for the game.
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:00 pm  
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Stu M wrote:
I’ve deliberately not gone early with this in case we lost today however….

For all the Wigan fans mocking us talking about injuries they’ve realised now it’s the quality of players out not quantity.

Cust, Farrell and French as a passenger was too much quality missing. We’ve had Dodd out since April, Percival since May and Grace more or less all season. That’s without mentioning Hopoate.

Finally I’m made up Wigan lost but how do you sell a Sport to new fans whereby Leeds make the Final.

They were in genuine crisis this season, sacked a coach, got some beatings, but managed to get just above a 50% win record and then win 2 games and here we are. This isn't an achievement, it's merely being decent for a little while.

We aren’t guaranteed to do 4 in a row but if we do…

Jason will have to admit we are the best team in the comp.

I’m also pleased that Smith bottled those goal kicks. Karma for giving it the billy big bollox rubbing Welsby’s head a few weeks ago and laughing in his face. And before you all start I don’t agree with Welsby’s antics at Magic either

Similar to Smithies. Sticks his head in every ptb, dropped a forearm on Bentley and Bentley outplayed him all game


Stu,as you have won the GF you are now officially the best team this season,hope that clears things up now.
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:04 pm  
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Congratulations Saints - fantastic performance. Wouldn't have been any different if we'd beaten Leeds - their intensity across the 80 minutes is unmatched just now.
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:35 pm  
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MadDogg wrote:
Congratulations Saints - fantastic performance. Wouldn't have been any different if we'd beaten Leeds - their intensity across the 80 minutes is unmatched just now.


Agreed thats what we should be looking to improve next year. To be able to play at full pelt for 80 mins
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:38 pm  
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MadDogg wrote:
Congratulations Saints - fantastic performance. Wouldn't have been any different if we'd beaten Leeds - their intensity across the 80 minutes is unmatched just now.


Don’t agree. Think that final highlights just how much we got it wrong in the semi.

Saints were there for the taking however Leeds lacked direction and the killer instinct, which is ironic given we lacked the same against them in the semi.

Fair play to Saints though. They didn’t come up against a great team in the final and they didn’t have to be outstanding to win it, but you have to say winning 4 in a row shows they are the best club in SL right now….maybe ever.
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Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:00 pm  
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Jason65 wrote:
Stu,as you have won the GF you are now officially the best team this season,hope that clears things up now.


Means more than winning 4 in a row that Jason getting your seal of approval. Top man cheers! :D
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:21 am  
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Stu M wrote:
Means more than winning 4 in a row that Jason getting your seal of approval. Top man cheers! :D


No it doesnt so no need to patronise me.LOL



However congrats on a great win and we look forward to more battles next year.
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