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Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:55 am  
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Maybe they’re talking but it’s about one thing and not the other stories around the game. This week to me should’ve been all about Woolf going out on a perfect record vs an unbelievable resurgence Rohan Smith has brought about at Leeds but instead it’s just been one huge highlighting of the sheer incompetence of the RFL.

I can also see the end result tomorrow being all about ‘the decision’ and that’s sad. Whatever comes of it anyway, it all needs sorting.


You would have to hope that Knowles has a pretty anonymous game otherwise the talk will all be around him.
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:59 am  
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You would have to hope that Knowles has a pretty anonymous game otherwise the talk will all be around him.

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Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:07 am  
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NickyKiss wrote:
Maybe they’re talking but it’s about one thing and not the other stories around the game. This week to me should’ve been all about Woolf going out on a perfect record vs an unbelievable resurgence Rohan Smith has brought about at Leeds but instead it’s just been one huge highlighting of the sheer incompetence of the RFL.

I can also see the end result tomorrow being all about ‘the decision’ and that’s sad. Whatever comes of it anyway, it all needs sorting.


Look on the bright side NK. If we lose we can't blame injuries :D

Strongest side we will have had out in months.
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:18 am  
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Because they're our biggest rivals.

It's called sport :THINK:


Not necessarily, no.

I don't like Saints, I like nothing better than to beat them every single time. In fact I'd love to embarrass them. I don't hate them tho. Big clubs need to stick together and that goes for the fans too. What's good for Wigan is good for Saints and the other way too.
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Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:29 pm  
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Egg Chasing wrote:
Or look at it another way.

Wigan beat Leeds, Bateman is banned for 3 games.

Wigan appeal and he is still banned for 3 games BUT the minutes say something like, it was a bad tackle with no regard for player safety but the game is fast paced and players sometimes end up making tackles they didn't intend to make.

Wigan appeal again and he gets off because the wording says he didn't intend to do it meaning it was an accident rather than a bad tackle with no regard for player safety.

Would that be ok?


No that wouldn't be OK because not intending to knock someone out with your shoulder doesn't mean you don't get banned for doing it. The real comparison would be Knowles did actually break the guys arm with force by moving it much further than he did but said he didn't mean it. They'd both still be banned for doing something with an unacceptable risk of causing injury whether they meant it or not. If they meant it the ban would be longer.

I expected Knowles to get a ban given where the disciplinary are at this year and nobobdy would really have complained. It was just so stupid and didn't look great. But it wasn't some heinous action - he grabs a wrist in a tackle to slow a PTB and does it in a way that wasn't clever. He got penalised and a yellow card for it. I think the Salford player play acted (not the first or last in that game, see trying to get Roby in trouble for a non-existent crusher) which made it look worse.

My view is take out the nonsensical Salford player reaction and take it on its merits - as someone else said maybe reposition it as a Toulouse player in a nothing game - people would just say yeah that was daft he deserved a yellow. Maybe 1 match ban. I think the profile of the player and following game is the difference here - there are people desperate to see a player banned for a pretty minor wrist grab professional foul even though most people are also saying he didn't mean to hurt the player (and probably didn't despite the play acting).

So he's trying to slow a PTB (a professional foul) not trying to hurt a player, doesn't move his arm into a dangerous position, it's acknowledged there is no unacceptable risk of injury. But he should be banned for two matches on top of a yellow card?

I struggle with it.

Anyway it's done now, bring on the match.
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:29 pm  
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Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:46 pm  
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So he's trying to slow a PTB (a professional foul).


I agree, he is. He does it via foul play though.
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:23 pm  
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No that wouldn't be OK because not intending to knock someone out with your shoulder doesn't mean you don't get banned for doing it. The real comparison would be Knowles did actually break the guys arm with force by moving it much further than he did but said he didn't mean it. They'd both still be banned for doing something with an unacceptable risk of causing injury whether they meant it or not. If they meant it the ban would be longer.

I expected Knowles to get a ban given where the disciplinary are at this year and nobobdy would really have complained. It was just so stupid and didn't look great. But it wasn't some heinous action - he grabs a wrist in a tackle to slow a PTB and does it in a way that wasn't clever. He got penalised and a yellow card for it. I think the Salford player play acted (not the first or last in that game, see trying to get Roby in trouble for a non-existent crusher) which made it look worse.

My view is take out the nonsensical Salford player reaction and take it on its merits - as someone else said maybe reposition it as a Toulouse player in a nothing game - people would just say yeah that was daft he deserved a yellow. Maybe 1 match ban. I think the profile of the player and following game is the difference here - there are people desperate to see a player banned for a pretty minor wrist grab professional foul even though most people are also saying he didn't mean to hurt the player (and probably didn't despite the play acting).

So he's trying to slow a PTB (a professional foul) not trying to hurt a player, doesn't move his arm into a dangerous position, it's acknowledged there is no unacceptable risk of injury. But he should be banned for two matches on top of a yellow card?

I struggle with it.

Anyway it's done now, bring on the match.


Maybe not but a 1 match ban would be justified. However, the RFL are the RFL and here we are
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Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:45 pm  
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Look on the bright side NK. If we lose we can't blame injuries :D

Strongest side we will have had out in months.


And facing an injury ravaged Leeds team



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Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:00 pm  
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And facing an injury ravaged Leeds team



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