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Same old teams in the grand final. Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:56 am  
Same old teams in the grand final.
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So the grand final is once again Leeds v Saints, if the salary cap was supposed to even the playing field it hasn’t worked.
Clearly the only defining measure that keeps Super League continuing to get the same results is the strength of the academies.
The strongest academies always produce the grand finalists, capping spending on players has no affect.
Is it time for a new look at how the best youngsters are scooped up by the biggest teams?
Re: Same old teams in the grand final. Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:46 pm  
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No, it’s time our academy caught up with Wigan, Saints & Leeds which hopefully we are finally seeing some positive signs on.
Re: Same old teams in the grand final. Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:46 pm  
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Fuzzy-Duck wrote:
So the grand final is once again Leeds v Saints, if the salary cap was supposed to even the playing field it hasn’t worked.
Clearly the only defining measure that keeps Super League continuing to get the same results is the strength of the academies.
The strongest academies always produce the grand finalists, capping spending on players has no affect.
Is it time for a new look at how the best youngsters are scooped up by the biggest teams?


The salary cap only affects the first team playing squad and the biggest teams employ more coaches and generally have more money to invest in their academies, so are able to scoop up the best young talent?

With that in mind, as Wire fans, shouldn't we be asking why after 20 years of being one of the strongest clubs financially in the league, why we have struggled so much to match the Wigan/Saints/Leeds academy systems?.. Surely, it should just be a case of setting up an identikit arrangement similar to anyone of those 3 club's set-ups and then reap the rewards of doing so?... Have we simply not employed the right people, or have the people at the top totally underplayed the importance of producing homegrown talent?

Also, as a bit of an extra, and with salary cap being mentioned here, one of my main questions and it's one that leaves me baffled, is why, as a competition as a whole, the salary cap has stagnated for so long, especially now in a time when actual economic inflation is skyrocketing?... If you view the playing squads as an 'employee', then it's fair to say that their wage structure as been awfully abused and the actual job of a RL professional isn't exactly an attractive one to want to either become, or stay employed as?
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Re: Same old teams in the grand final. Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:02 pm  
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Saints and Leeds haven't contested a grand final for over a decade. Also, out of the 12 current super league clubs, 9 have appeared in a grand final.
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Re: Same old teams in the grand final. Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:53 pm  
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It's the job of everyone else to catch up.

Personally, I'm fed up of us whipping out the cheque book to sign overrated marquee players, has-been overseas stiffs, best mates, experiments, never will bes and never-weres.

We've tried that approach and failed. The answer for us is to produce quality youngsters and give them an environment and pathway to the first team and beyond
Re: Same old teams in the grand final. Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:00 pm  
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Since 2017 you've seen Wires, Catalan, Salford and Castleford make it to the GF, together with Leeds, Wigan & Saints (and it's been over 10 yrs since Leeds last played Saints in a GF) - so I can't actually see the problem with 'same old teams', apart from who walks away with the trophy.
Re: Same old teams in the grand final. Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:45 pm  
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morrisseyisawire wrote:
The answer for us is to produce quality youngsters and give them an environment and pathway to the first team and beyond


Easier said than done though?.. We have been on a financial par with Leeds/Saints/Wigan for the last 20 years, but we have come nowhere near producing same number of quality youngsters as they have.

Are we to believe that we simply haven't been bothered to produce SL quality youngsters like those other 3 clubs have, instead preferring a short cut via signing players from other clubs, or have we simply not got the brains at the club to set up the correct structure to produce the players we need?
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Re: Same old teams in the grand final. Sat Sep 24, 2022 6:03 pm  
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Fuzzy-Duck wrote:
So the grand final is once again Leeds v Saints, if the salary cap was supposed to even the playing field it hasn’t worked.
Clearly the only defining measure that keeps Super League continuing to get the same results is the strength of the academies.
The strongest academies always produce the grand finalists, capping spending on players has no affect.
Is it time for a new look at how the best youngsters are scooped up by the biggest teams?

The salary cap was brought in to stop teams over spending and going bust not to even up the league.
The best way to predict the future is to create it...
Re: Same old teams in the grand final. Sat Sep 24, 2022 6:17 pm  
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morrisseyisawire wrote:
It's the job of everyone else to catch up.

Personally, I'm fed up of us whipping out the cheque book to sign overrated marquee players, has-been overseas stiffs, best mates, experiments, never will bes and never-weres.

We've tried that approach and failed. The answer for us is to produce quality youngsters and give them an environment and pathway to the first team and beyond


Spot on.
We're obsessed with chequebook signings.

To be fair, the club DO give chances to the youngsters, but, if they don't "hit the ground running", they tend to be jettisoned. I've said for years, academy lads who are progressing, must be crestfallen when we sign yet another NRL player, solely to fill quota spots.
Neither glass half full or empty. Just a realist.
Re: Same old teams in the grand final. Sat Sep 24, 2022 6:23 pm  
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lefty goldblatt wrote:
Spot on.
We're obsessed with chequebook signings.

To be fair, the club DO give chances to the youngsters, but, if they don't "hit the ground running", they tend to be jettisoned. I've said for years, academy lads who are progressing, must be crestfallen when we sign yet another NRL player, solely to fill quota spots.


How many of our underused academy players have been released by the club and gone onto being what you would class as good SL players, Lefty?... I don't see any instances where we have released any and had any regrets from what they then achieved after leaving?

I think it's more to do with us not signing the quality youngsters, rather than them not getting a chance?
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