Re: Tony Gigot : Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:53 am  

Or thane wrote:

Seeing as we need a halfback and Gigot is being leaving Toulose,, do you think he would be worth a cheap punt or would you not touch him with a barge pole?

We signed the razzle dazzle game changing Lance Todd Trophy Winning Tony Gigot at Wakefield, and all we got was Tony Gigot.

I'd leave it if I were Powell. (Wakey Fan)

Re: Tony Gigot : Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:01 pm  

rubber duckie wrote:

Dean, just isn’t good enough yet and doesn’t seem to posses enough of the self drive to push himself into selection.

Hayes is young and small in stature, but is hungry and dogged enough to want it.

We have a dilemma that unless Dean is his worse critic, we need a half back until Hayes is ready.

The jury is out, but I have more faith in Hayes overcoming the obstacles ahead than Dean, who is looking like a destined GOB.

That's a decent post....

Though I'd say Dean will end up more Dec Patton than Gareth O'brien, who has fashioned a half decent SL career out of his talents.

Re: Tony Gigot : Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:44 pm  

When did Riley Dean suddenly become a bad player? Every time I've seen him in the first team he's looked pretty decent and was nothing short of outstanding in the win v Huddersfield. Obviously he put in one poor kick against Wigan(despite getting us back in the game with an excellent solo try)and that was enough for Powell to publicly throw him under the bus.

Re: Tony Gigot : Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:07 pm  

Moe syslak wrote:

When did Riley Dean suddenly become a bad player? Every time I've seen him in the first team he's looked pretty decent and was nothing short of outstanding in the win v Huddersfield. Obviously he put in one poor kick against Wigan(despite getting us back in the game with an excellent solo try)and that was enough for Powell to publicly throw him under the bus.

I don't think anyone is suggesting he's a bad player. Just that he's not produced much that makes you suddenly think you've seen the second coming of Briers, John Woods, or any top half back you can care to remember.

Probably comes down to what I hinted at last week and that's that us fans can be too keen sometimes to build up youngsters who, in reality, have produced very little to warrant all the expectation of them.

Also, and I think it's a classic modern day social media habit where a player has to be either a bad player or a top player, when, in reality again, the vast majority hover somewhere between mediocre/average and quite good - I suspect Dean is floating somewhere in that large pool of players.

Re: Tony Gigot : Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:45 pm  

Wow

Re: Tony Gigot : Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:46 pm  

Honestly, I would rather have my mum at half back, and she’s just turned 87!!!

Re: Tony Gigot : Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:47 pm  

We need Williams at 6, and a 7 with a top kicking game.

Re: Tony Gigot : Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:51 pm  

Hayes too young and Dean not sure, Clifford sounded good but looks dead in the water, hey we have another big problem centres, who’s 3and4 next year !!

Re: Tony Gigot : Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:09 pm  

Looks like Steph and matautia no no no no no no!!!!!!!

Re: Tony Gigot : Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:33 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

I don't think anyone is suggesting he's a bad player. Just that he's not produced much that makes you suddenly think you've seen the second coming of Briers, John Woods, or any top half back you can care to remember.

Probably comes down to what I hinted at last week and that's that us fans can be too keen sometimes to build up youngsters who, in reality, have produced very little to warrant all the expectation of them.

Also, and I think it's a classic modern day social media habit where a player has to be either a bad player or a top player, when, in reality again, the vast majority hover somewhere between mediocre/average and quite good - I suspect Dean is floating somewhere in that large pool of players.

You get young players coming through at Saints/Wigan/Leeds, and within a few games you can see something special there. There's a maturity in their play, an ability to take charge of the game and early on impose themselves on their SL peers.

When young players come through at Wire, before they have ever really performed in SL you get loads of hype and demands that we build the future around them. Then you get a rearguard of fans who cling to this narrative and just explain away the lack of performance. "He just needs more time.....Wigan or Saints would persevere with him.....the coach has messed him about.....the coach hates him" then inevitably they end up in the Championship with everyone saying they could have been a great but our rubbish coaching staff didn't develop them.