Form 1st 7 games vs 2nd 7 games : Wed May 31, 2023 9:20 am  

I saw this post on "What would Bevan Say" and thought I would share on here. The stat is quite stark. Something has clearly changed, even Powell alludes to it. Interested to hear views on why we think this has happened.

+/- of Warrington Wolves fourteen games in 2023.
First seven games..
Scored 232 (Av 33.14)
Conceded 82 (Av 11.72)

Last seven games..
Scored 113 (Av 16.14)
Conceded 131 (Av 19)

WWBS ask what has made the difference?
Mikaela leaving for OZ?
Too many new contracts signed?
The way the games have fallen?
Moved away from the basics?
All of the above or something else?

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Form 1st 7 games vs 2nd 7 games : Wed May 31, 2023 12:22 pm  

suspensions
overworking vaughan
and teams having seen us and worked out how to nullify us.

[Uncle Rico]

Re: Form 1st 7 games vs 2nd 7 games : Wed May 31, 2023 12:51 pm  

I'd definitely go with other teams working us out as the 2022 version thankfully offered no clue as to how we'd start. Whilst I'm not sure about overworking Vaughan, we are certainly over reliant on Williams for any creativity out of the back

Re: Form 1st 7 games vs 2nd 7 games : Wed May 31, 2023 1:34 pm  

in the context of our best ever start to a super league season....
there may be an element of us keeping our powder dry for more important games later in the season....the stand out result in the second half being the cc win in Catalans....that points to us still being able to turn it on when it really matters.
Teams will have worked us out to an extent, our pack being very different this season from last...so teams are learning how we play this year..
Suspensions will have an impact, especially to pivot players and key forwards.
Show me 1 Warrington fan who would say they wouldn't take where we are in the league now, after the games played, at the start of the season.

Re: Form 1st 7 games vs 2nd 7 games : Wed May 31, 2023 6:26 pm  

The second seven include Catalans away twice alongside games against St Helens and Wigan.

Re: Form 1st 7 games vs 2nd 7 games : Wed May 31, 2023 8:30 pm  

Here’s a stat.
McGuire first 7 games out team playing well
Comes back next 7 team plays rank.

Re: Form 1st 7 games vs 2nd 7 games : Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:50 am  

Wires71 wrote:

I saw this post on "What would Bevan Say" and thought I would share on here. The stat is quite stark. Something has clearly changed, even Powell alludes to it. Interested to hear views on why we think this has happened.

+/- of Warrington Wolves fourteen games in 2023.
First seven games..
Scored 232 (Av 33.14)
Conceded 82 (Av 11.72)

Last seven games..
Scored 113 (Av 16.14)
Conceded 131 (Av 19)

WWBS ask what has made the difference?
Mikaela leaving for OZ?
Too many new contracts signed?
The way the games have fallen?
Moved away from the basics?
All of the above or something else?

None of your options imo.

Fatigue and multiple prop suspensions.

Re: Form 1st 7 games vs 2nd 7 games : Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:50 am  

Wires71 wrote:

I saw this post on "What would Bevan Say" and thought I would share on here. The stat is quite stark. Something has clearly changed, even Powell alludes to it. Interested to hear views on why we think this has happened.

+/- of Warrington Wolves fourteen games in 2023.
First seven games..
Scored 232 (Av 33.14)
Conceded 82 (Av 11.72)

Last seven games..
Scored 113 (Av 16.14)
Conceded 131 (Av 19)

WWBS ask what has made the difference?
Mikaela leaving for OZ?
Too many new contracts signed?
The way the games have fallen?
Moved away from the basics?
All of the above or something else?

None of your options imo.

Fatigue and multiple prop suspensions.

Re: Form 1st 7 games vs 2nd 7 games : Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:39 pm  

I think the league game away at Catalan was when things started to get a bit loose.
Dont get me wrong it was a good victory especially considering we were down to 12 men.
The players and fans were right to celebrate that win but it looked like we had won the grand final.
Let's not forget that the dragons were missing Pearce, Tomkins and McIllorum and others.
I think we fell in love with ourselves a bit in the South of France and we have gone away from what was working previous to that.

I recall in the first 7 or so games our middle unit were scoring a couple of tries a game. Mikeale, Vaughan and Harrison scoring quite often.
That was a bit of an indicator that we were playing a power game.

That has dropped off quite a bit as we look like we are trying to shift the ball earlier in the set.

I also think teams have figured us out a bit. We struggle with teams that are prepared to offload the ball. Against Hull KR recently we couldn't cope with them until we started to wrap the ball up.

Still 2 points clear at the top isn't bad.

Re: Form 1st 7 games vs 2nd 7 games : Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:00 pm  

I thought that we would miss Mikaele more than we thought but I couldn’t quite work out why. Friend of mine pointed out that not only was Mikaele playing well but his runs were arcing and tended to bump a few defenders off/change direction and mangle 3/4 defenders out of shape leaving us to take advantage. He also complemented Vaughans straight running style perfectly. Now we are a team of forwards with one direct style. It’s not all down to this but I think it’s playing a large part.

Not sure Mikaeles absence is the reason why we’ve stopped being adventurous in attack in our own twenty (Leigh try first minute amongst a few others) - baffled as to why we don’t seem to be trying this stuff anymore - seems they have lost confidence.