Re: Wane out : Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:27 pm  

I'm a Wigan fan by the way.

Re: Wane out : Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:42 am  

spartakmixtapes wrote:

I'm a Wigan fan by the way.

Thats good to know,but they were not the only ones make a mistake,and I am not defending them just pointing out facts.

Re: Wane out : Tue Nov 22, 2022 11:09 am  

Jason65 wrote:

Thats good to know,but they were not the only ones make a mistake,and I am not defending them just pointing out facts.

That's what I'm saying though, those weren't mistakes, its poor play from 2 of our top players, yes there were issues across the team but these are identifiable individual plays that should be picked out and worked on. The Samoans clearly targeted our right edge, probably picking out Watkins lack of pace, he needed support out there and at times he didn't get it.

Just to show what I mean about mistakes, Bateman does make a mistake in Samoa's 2nd try, he's in the tackle and when he gets back to the line he picks the wrong side of the ruck to defend. I can forgive that because he's in the correct channel and he's made the effort to get back into the line, he also might have got a call to come inside. Its a mistake, which is fair enough.
Him leaving his channel to defend up the middle because he's a frustrated loose forward and one of our star players standing watching a try happen with his hands on his hips making zero effort to get back to help is IMO unacceptable at the top level.

Re: Wane out : Tue Nov 22, 2022 1:28 pm  

spartakmixtapes wrote:

That's what I'm saying though, those weren't mistakes, its poor play from 2 of our top players, yes there were issues across the team but these are identifiable individual plays that should be picked out and worked on. The Samoans clearly targeted our right edge, probably picking out Watkins lack of pace, he needed support out there and at times he didn't get it.

Just to show what I mean about mistakes, Bateman does make a mistake in Samoa's 2nd try, he's in the tackle and when he gets back to the line he picks the wrong side of the ruck to defend. I can forgive that because he's in the correct channel and he's made the effort to get back into the line, he also might have got a call to come inside. Its a mistake, which is fair enough.
Him leaving his channel to defend up the middle because he's a frustrated loose forward and one of our star players standing watching a try happen with his hands on his hips making zero effort to get back to help is IMO unacceptable at the top level.

I dont know what to say to that ! bad play by Bateman cost us the game maybe that is what you want to read.
Have a look now at other players to see if they have made bad plays in that game.I wont as I see mistakes and bad plays were made by players and not just the one trying to be made into a scapegoat for the loss.It doesnt really matter as we lost and no amount of blame will change that.

Re: Wane out : Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:52 pm  

Jason65 wrote:

I dont know what to say to that ! bad play by Bateman cost us the game maybe that is what you want to read.
Have a look now at other players to see if they have made bad plays in that game.I wont as I see mistakes and bad plays were made by players and not just the one trying to be made into a scapegoat for the loss.It doesnt really matter as we lost and no amount of blame will change that.

You can say what you want mate!
I saw another thread turning into a p#ssing contest between Wigan and Saints fans and thought to balance it out I'd offer what I thought was valid criticism of a player from either side.
I don't think either player cost us the game, we had issues all over the pitch, lack of impact in the forwards and lack of patience and composure in the backs.

Re: Wane out : Tue Nov 22, 2022 11:04 pm  

Overall our spine was jobby.

Re: Wane out : Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:09 am  

spartakmixtapes wrote:

You can say what you want mate!
I saw another thread turning into a p#ssing contest between Wigan and Saints fans and thought to balance it out I'd offer what I thought was valid criticism of a player from either side.
I don't think either player cost us the game, we had issues all over the pitch, lack of impact in the forwards and lack of patience and composure in the backs.

Cheers,I agree that you have given a balanced view and not just singled out a Wigan player as some do with your issues all over the pitch comment which is both valid and honest.
Which is my point .

Re: Wane out : Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:34 am  

Jason65 wrote:

Cheers,I agree that you have given a balanced view and not just singled out a Wigan player as some do with your issues all over the pitch comment which is both valid and honest.
Which is my point .

Everyone on here has their club bias, there's only a few who let it completely cloud their judgement.
There were some "sad" posters on here who were blaming Wigan before a ball was kicked, its best to ignore them.

[Sadfish]

Re: Wane out : Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:43 am  

I do think that he and the team screwed up against Samoa, they lost their whole play and never recovered, I think the team were better than they played against Samoa, they just got caught short on the day, like every team can.

Re: Wane out : Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:01 am  

Sadfish wrote:

I do think that he and the team screwed up against Samoa, they lost their whole play and never recovered, I think the team were better than they played against Samoa, they just got caught short on the day, like every team can.

Wane took most of the blame and rightly so, every man and his dog could see our right hand defence was weak and under pressure he should have made adjustments. Too many experienced leadership players having an off day and not creating anything.

Biggest problem was our distribution from No 9 position didn't really send the ball out wide or towards a deeper second phase, that just cut down the time and space for our half backs. Wane had Radley at 9 and Knowles at 13 and it looked better but Wane removed that in the last 10 mins when we needed more.........bad call that.