Re: IMG Podcast : Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:12 pm  

pmarrow wrote:

Ive never liked no P + R and wont like it again. Just doesnt do it for me, but if this comes in could be the final nail in the coffin for me with this sport.

The product is poor as it is without taking less interest away.

Understand your view but the current setup doesn't work either, the promoted team finds out they have been promoted far too late and stands little chance of staying up. Leigh have spent heavily but can't fully plan next year until Monday, and always a risk there's a bout of Covid in the camp, injuries, freak weather etc and they unexpectedly lose the final.

Whatever system we are using the Championship needs to be first past the post for the champions, to give them more time to plan and the final doesnt exactly set attendance records anyway.

Re: IMG Podcast : Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:34 pm  

UllFC wrote:

Understand your view but the current setup doesn't work either, the promoted team finds out they have been promoted far too late and stands little chance of staying up. Leigh have spent heavily but can't fully plan next year until Monday, and always a risk there's a bout of Covid in the camp, injuries, freak weather etc and they unexpectedly lose the final.

Whatever system we are using the Championship needs to be first past the post for the champions, to give them more time to plan and the final doesnt exactly set attendance records anyway.

Good post. I would prefer P&R - Bottom club down, top of champ up. The promoted team should be given a seasons grace, and then they could still incorporate the Cat B structure as well. If a top championship team feels they're not quite a Cat B superleague club whilst playing in the championship, they have nothing to play for in the whole of the season. So it should be 1 up 1 down with a seasons grace to the promoted team.

Re: IMG Podcast : Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:34 pm  

UllFC wrote:

Understand your view but the current setup doesn't work either, the promoted team finds out they have been promoted far too late and stands little chance of staying up. Leigh have spent heavily but can't fully plan next year until Monday, and always a risk there's a bout of Covid in the camp, injuries, freak weather etc and they unexpectedly lose the final.

Whatever system we are using the Championship needs to be first past the post for the champions, to give them more time to plan and the final doesnt exactly set attendance records anyway.

Im thinking more of the side at the bottom of SL towards the back end of the season with little to play for. Didnt work last time and wont again. Also very vague on how you actually go down, it will further the gap in my opinion between teams who have a shiny stadium to those that dont.

Its not right that anything other then on the pitch performances is rewarded. Dont like it for me on the principal.

All the successful franchise systems in sport only add to the elite and not take away. To think you could finish 5th one season and be relegated because a club in the lower league have better bogs for example is just wrong. Its not a sport in my opinion.

Re: IMG Podcast : Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:55 pm  

pmarrow wrote:

Im thinking more of the side at the bottom of SL towards the back end of the season with little to play for. Didnt work last time and wont again. Also very vague on how you actually go down, it will further the gap in my opinion between teams who have a shiny stadium to those that dont.

Its not right that anything other then on the pitch performances is rewarded. Dont like it for me on the principal.

All the successful franchise systems in sport only add to the elite and not take away. To think you could finish 5th one season and be relegated because a club in the lower league have better bogs for example is just wrong. Its not a sport in my opinion.

Agree that there are downsides, and in my opinion Hull got lazy during the last franchise era, we finished 2nd bottom in 2009 but it all felt very apathetic at the club, if our SL place was on the line some mid season signings would have appeared.

There needs to be a big weighting towards on the field performances. Salford for example will score low on crowds, income and the stadium deal issue but they can argue they've been to 2 finals in 4 years and unearthed 2 man of steels.

Re: IMG Podcast : Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:19 pm  

UllFC wrote:

Wakefield and Cas will be dusting off those artists impressions and throwing the CEO a hiviz and shovel for the photos

You do know a brand new New stand is under construction now at Wakefield. One of the main criteria should be owning your own ground so you're not a soccer clubs bitch.

Re: IMG Podcast : Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:26 pm  

hooligan27 wrote:

Why scrap promotion / relegation. Just killing off the championship clubs leaving nothing to play for and same at the bottom end of the table in SL
Basically the championship will be years of friendly's and that it did not work last time and wont work most fans will not bother

It's pointless when every year the team promoted is relagated.

Re: IMG Podcast : Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:34 pm  

hooligan27 wrote:

Why scrap promotion / relegation. Just killing off the championship clubs leaving nothing to play for and same at the bottom end of the table in SL
Basically the championship will be years of friendly's and that it did not work last time and wont work most fans will not bother

That's the whole point. Until they, as a club are good enough to get promoted they shouldn't have the chance.

Re: IMG Podcast : Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:35 pm  

puroresu_boy wrote:

It's pointless when every year the team promoted is relagated.

Then give the promoted club a seasons grace.

Re: IMG Podcast : Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:56 pm  

UllFC wrote:

Agree that there are downsides, and in my opinion Hull got lazy during the last franchise era, we finished 2nd bottom in 2009 but it all felt very apathetic at the club, if our SL place was on the line some mid season signings would have appeared.

There needs to be a big weighting towards on the field performances. Salford for example will score low on crowds, income and the stadium deal issue but they can argue they've been to 2 finals in 4 years and unearthed 2 man of steels.

Until we see criteria its anyones guess but they should be trying to increase full time teams and this system will do anything but that. I dont think the likes of Cas or Wakefield have had outdated stadiums by choice, there is no money in the game.

This is destined to see teams spend what they dont have.

Re: IMG Podcast : Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:36 pm  

wotsupcas wrote:

You do know a brand new New stand is under construction now at Wakefield. One of the main criteria should be owning your own ground so you're not a soccer clubs bitch.

A brand new stand? What happened to the new stadium they promised last time franchises were on the table