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Re: Knowles Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:25 pm  
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Re: Knowles Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:28 pm  
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You've cancelled World Cup final tickets and a weekend away, Sky and your support of the sport of Rugby League because a St Helens player was given the correct outcome to a disciplinary decision after an appeal? That's spectacular. There is definitely room for improvement and this whole situation should not have happened, but hopefully this is the catalyst for change in that department.

The reaction after the semi final was hysterical. I know a lot of people want Saints to lose at all costs. Maybe if Leeds win you'll reconsider your support of the sport and your planned trip?


A player, the fact he plays for Saints has nothing to do with it and if you can't see the offence that was committed then there is no hope. As a Hull supporter I have seen players commit deeds and when they have got punishment I have agreed and accepted it, the fact is this single act of stupidity has brought the whole game into disrepute.

I wont even be watching the final and for the record I have nothing but admiration for Saints, well till this

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Re: Knowles Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:33 pm  
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Is player safety still a thing or is this yet more pandering to the big clubs. Just ridiculous.
As for Saints, I hope they are proud of themselves. :MOON:

They cheat (sorry, bend the rules to breaking point) on and off the pitch now. :oops:
Re: Knowles Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:39 pm  
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Do we really want loads of players banned from finals? Is that the right idea?

I don't think any player has ever been banned from a Grand Final. That maybe puts it into perspective? The fact that more than half the team were mentioned shows that the MRP are overreaching doesn't it? They are re-refereeing the games and effectively dismissing the opinions of the on field and video referees. If a referee sees the incident and the video referee reviews it, what added value is there in a non-referee reviewing it afterwards when the referees are the arbitrators of the rules? The hysteria around it has been silly. The three worst tackles in the game were arguably by Salford. Two by Elijah Taylor, one of which was a blatant shoulder charge with no wrap which knocked his own player out. The high shot by Sneyd on Lomax and the twist of his neck was also an interesting one to completely ignore.

Had Salford won the game, no one would have even mentioned the Knowles incident had it not been banned. People just saw a chance to weaken Saints and desperately clung to it.

The MRP needs to be worked on. They are there to grade the punishments, not forensically re-referee the games to try to find minor breaches. The overzealousness they've had has left the fanbase in a frenzy after each games and as one of the journalists on Twitter said, they could probably sell more tickets for the disciplinary hearings than the matches themselves. This week has seen mass hysteria over two decisions. Both of them were the right decisions in the end, but the lessons are there to be learned.


Whilst I agree with your comment about the incident not being mentioned had Salford won the game, I think you're missing the point. Do we really want players banned from Grand Finals? If their offence merits it, then yes.
I'm a Rhinos fan and I was at Headingley earlier in the season when Bentley committed a high tackle on a Wakefield player. It was in line with where I sit in the stand so I had a decent view of it. It was a bad high tackle and whilst it was difficult to accept, I knew it was a bad tackle and I knew it would get a ban. He was rightly sin-binned for it. I didn't jump to my feet and scream at the ref or then post online after the ban was imposed; I accepted it, as annoying as it was. The Knowles decision by the MRP is quite different. As a Saints fan, I can understand that you would want your team to be at it's best possible strength for the final, and if a Leeds player had been in a similar situation after the match at Wigan on Friday night, I'd have been equally on edge before Tuesday night. But what you're suggesting seems unfair and biassed.
Would you have said Ben Flower shouldn't have been sent off in the Grand Final against Saints? I think up to that time, no-one had been sent off in a Grand Final. You are right in saying that the MRP does need to be worked on, and I can assure you I'm not just saying that as a Leeds fan. I have friends who support other teams and they are of that opinion too. This incident just doesn't sit right, for the sheer fact that Saints launched a second appeal, the fact it was then heard by the MRP, and then added to that, the ban was not reduced to one match, it was completely overturned.
Re: Knowles Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:40 pm  
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Saddened! wrote:
You've cancelled World Cup final tickets and a weekend away, Sky and your support of the sport of Rugby League because a St Helens player was given the correct outcome to a disciplinary decision after an appeal? That's spectacular. There is definitely room for improvement and this whole situation should not have happened, but hopefully this is the catalyst for change in that department.

The reaction after the semi final was hysterical. I know a lot of people want Saints to lose at all costs. Maybe if Leeds win you'll reconsider your support of the sport and your planned trip?


You're wrong pal.
The fact that you cant see any wrongdoing here says everything.
Players have certainly received longer bans for lesser "crimes" this season.

Whatever happened to player safety ?, The game is a bloody joke and this is just embarrassing but, crack on.
These issues turn people away from the game but, as long as you have a nice day on Saturday :CRAZY:
Re: Knowles Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:53 pm  
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The three worst tackles in the game were arguably by Salford. Two by Elijah Taylor, one of which was a blatant shoulder charge with no wrap which knocked his own player out.


Funny that as 3 yes Three Saints players were up infront of the MRP, remind me how many Salford players were cited ? ow and that doesn't include the cheat Tommy (the balls grabber) Makinson,
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Re: Knowles Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:05 pm  
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Is player safety still a thing or is this yet more pandering to the big clubs. Just ridiculous.
As for Saints, I hope they are proud of themselves. :MOON:

They cheat (sorry, bend the rules to breaking point) on and off the pitch now. :oops:


Something can be a penalty and a yellow card but not be worth a ban. That was my take on the Knowles incident all along. It was stupid and he shouldn't be doing it. But whilst it fit into the category of an offense, it was so soft that a yellow card and no ban was the right call for me. I've said that all along. There were high tackles and a shoulder charge in the Leeds semi final, no one is jumping up and down over those, because they weren't severe enough for a player to miss a game over. Same thing here for me. I'm not saying he didn't do anything wrong, just that it was never worthy of the initial punishment.
Re: Knowles Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:19 pm  
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Re: Knowles Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:21 pm  
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Whilst I agree with your comment about the incident not being mentioned had Salford won the game, I think you're missing the point. Do we really want players banned from Grand Finals? If their offence merits it, then yes.
I'm a Rhinos fan and I was at Headingley earlier in the season when Bentley committed a high tackle on a Wakefield player. It was in line with where I sit in the stand so I had a decent view of it. It was a bad high tackle and whilst it was difficult to accept, I knew it was a bad tackle and I knew it would get a ban. He was rightly sin-binned for it. I didn't jump to my feet and scream at the ref or then post online after the ban was imposed; I accepted it, as annoying as it was. The Knowles decision by the MRP is quite different. As a Saints fan, I can understand that you would want your team to be at it's best possible strength for the final, and if a Leeds player had been in a similar situation after the match at Wigan on Friday night, I'd have been equally on edge before Tuesday night. But what you're suggesting seems unfair and biassed.
Would you have said Ben Flower shouldn't have been sent off in the Grand Final against Saints? I think up to that time, no-one had been sent off in a Grand Final. You are right in saying that the MRP does need to be worked on, and I can assure you I'm not just saying that as a Leeds fan. I have friends who support other teams and they are of that opinion too. This incident just doesn't sit right, for the sheer fact that Saints launched a second appeal, the fact it was then heard by the MRP, and then added to that, the ban was not reduced to one match, it was completely overturned.


I think this one is another example of the MRP being overzealous. They've seen the reaction to it and they've tried to fit into a category to get it a ban. But in doing that they've left themselves open due to the line about the action causing 'an unacceptable risk of injury'. As Saints were able to prove that the arm was not taken outside of the normal range of motion for an arm, the charge itself was invalid, hence it being wiped and not being reduced. Technically the offense was slowing the play the ball down with a light twist of the arm. It's a technicality, but one the MRP should have spotted in the first place.

The incident for me throws a few things up about the sport. The first is the MRP and how it's re-refereeing games to try to find charges. It shouldn't be doing that unless a referee completely misses an incident. Secondly how overzealous they are. Thirdly, it's how televised games are allowing players to stay down injured in an attempt to force a referee into action. Atkin at the weekend made a lot of it and stayed down, hoping to get Knowles a card. His reaction is what fired the TV pundits up to ask for bans and what caused the meltdown on social media. It's almost a Captains challenge by proxy in that you can stay down and force it to be checked.

The MRP needs to be brought into line with what is actually a player welfare issue. Minor things like this one and the late hits which aren't violent or late or high etc shouldn't be being picked up if they've been seen by the referees and judged to be okay or dealt with on the field, unless a red card. We're seeing far too many bans for minor things that it creates this lust for bans from fans and journalists who don't want to see a certain team winning the final. We need to get back to bans being for genuinely dangerous and/or badly intended actions.
Re: Knowles Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:23 pm  
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After the embarrassment with Bateman now this. What a joke the administration of RL is. The sports fked and what a hollow victory for saints should they win.

In the week of the grand final suddenly you can appeal a ban twice. Fk off.


Didn't Leeds set the precedence for that with the appeal of the Rhyse Martin appeal? I think you've always been able to do it, but you've got to have a valid reason, hence most clubs not bothering.
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