Re: no free meals for the poorest kids ? : Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:15 am
Mild Rover wrote:
There are a lot of elements that are crucial to the success of any operation, commercial or surgical. If nobody had taught you to read or the basics of mathematics you would have found it much more difficult to be successful in business. If the theatre isn’t cleaned properly then the patient is at greater risk no matter how good the surgeon is. Nobody is a island, we’re all interdependent. All the roles in a healthy society are of value but nearly all of us are individually fungible.
One of the distasteful positions among Remainers is the anti-democratic ‘it was the stupid, ill-educated demographic that won the Brexit referendum’ argument (if you can even call it that). Are you saying that the views of an elite, however defined, should be given more weight than the populace as a whole?
Your point on status is interesting. You think risk management is one of the very top considerations in assessing value, likely reflecting your own experience and self-image. However, that wouldn’t apply in a lot of professional environments - to a degree that is unfair in all honesty. That’s the thing with job-snobbery, it is stupid and unfair and, most of all, it doesn’t translate. I’ve been with oncologists who referred to surgeons as ‘meat technicians’, half jokingly, but only half. When people think they form a crucial link in the chain they are absolutely right. When people think they form the crucial link they are very wrong imo, and they’ll be laughed at by others who, ironically, have the same misconception about themselves.
One of the distasteful positions among Remainers is the anti-democratic ‘it was the stupid, ill-educated demographic that won the Brexit referendum’ argument (if you can even call it that). Are you saying that the views of an elite, however defined, should be given more weight than the populace as a whole?
Your point on status is interesting. You think risk management is one of the very top considerations in assessing value, likely reflecting your own experience and self-image. However, that wouldn’t apply in a lot of professional environments - to a degree that is unfair in all honesty. That’s the thing with job-snobbery, it is stupid and unfair and, most of all, it doesn’t translate. I’ve been with oncologists who referred to surgeons as ‘meat technicians’, half jokingly, but only half. When people think they form a crucial link in the chain they are absolutely right. When people think they form the crucial link they are very wrong imo, and they’ll be laughed at by others who, ironically, have the same misconception about themselves.
My experience is purely in the private sector and in that world the person who earns the most money is the person who makes the crucial decisions i.e. takes the most risk has the most responsibility. In my organisation the buck stops with me - I have delegated much of the decision-making to the directors - hate micro management - and them down to their teams but each rung has a level at which they can make decisions without referring upwards e.g. if the profile of a potential new client is outside of the agreed parameters then it goes from sales to commercial - if it falls within the agreed criteria no need to refer.
Your idea that theatre cleaner is as important as a surgeon is an interesting one - you can have the cleanest operating theatre in the world but without the surgeon no need to clean it. So who is really the most important person in that scenario?
