Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:16 pm  

bren2k wrote:

"LIFE IS TOUGH - I CAN'T PLEASE EVERYBODY - THE BUS COMPANY HAS TO MAKE A PROFIT!

Now get out of my office - wherever it is. Where even am I? What's this place called again?"

Or yes we can do everything for everybody - which we all know is not possible - I'm sorry the patient that is current getting the £250k a year cancer treatment is getting priority over your bus route. I'm sure you understand that we have to make very difficult decision given we don't have an inexhaustible supply of money. I know you understand that and we both agree that most people with an IQ above that of a slug would also.

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:19 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

We will build 40 new hospitals- lie, We will employ 50,000 new nurses - lie, we will be able to give 390 million pounds a week to the NHS - lie, we pay 1 billion each month to the EU - lie, we will not have any border checks between the U.K. and Nth Ireland - lie, I could list more but I think you get the idea.

You don't know yet do you - we may well build 40 hospitals and we may well have 50k more nurses than we do now - still 4.75 years to go. Would you Labour's claim of selling off the NHS is a lie or are you so myopic you can't see that?

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:20 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

History suggests that what Johnson says never meets the legislation they produce.

History suggests no government actually meets its manifesto pledges - either side of the fence - of course you know that

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:21 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Would you Labour's claim of selling off the NHS is a lie or are you so myopic you can't see that?

In your own words... You don't know yet do you - we may well sell off the NHS - still 4.75 years to go.

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:27 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

This will be exactly the characterisation of the Tories that brings them down in years to come, like it did in the 1990s.

They have campaigned on the basis of peoples disillusionment with the decline of their areas and of their services (which is largely driven by Conservative cuts anyway), and portrayed themselves as being on the side of the people not the establishment/business interests, to get people to vote for them.

The voters will expect a return on that and if the Tories revert back to dismissing their concerns with a variant of, "life isn't easy, deal with it" then it will undermine their whole narrative about being the ones 'in touch' with traditional working class communities.

I agree - so HS2 is one thing - they say they will invest £5bn in buses/bikes - there is a desire to spend more in the North but you cannot be all things to all people - how many times do we have to have this discussion. It would be great run every bus every 5 minutes, every treatment you need in the NHS is available when you want it - life is not like that. I'm sure there are things you want that you can't have why should we expect everything all the time. Politicians are in the game of winning elections so if you were in their shoes do you think spending money on the NHS/Education/Police would win more votes than extra bus routes?

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:58 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Politicians are in the game of winning elections so if you were in their shoes do you think spending money on the NHS/Education/Police would win more votes than extra bus routes?

The Tories have been responsible for cutting the funding to all four - and then lying about future funding/ improvements - so how come they keep winning elections?

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:59 pm  

silver2 wrote:

The Tories have been responsible for cutting the funding to all four - and then lying about future funding/ improvements - so how come they keep winning elections?

Because the public prefer their control of spending to Labour and people simply don't buy you can give everything to everybody - unlike some of here

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:06 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Because the public prefer their control of spending to Labour and people simply don't buy you can give everything to everybody - unlike some of here

I think this is what Johnson is proposing and this is why Javid had to go so I guess you are one of them.

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:46 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I agree - so HS2 is one thing - they say they will invest £5bn in buses/bikes - there is a desire to spend more in the North but you cannot be all things to all people - how many times do we have to have this discussion. It would be great run every bus every 5 minutes, every treatment you need in the NHS is available when you want it - life is not like that. I'm sure there are things you want that you can't have why should we expect everything all the time. Politicians are in the game of winning elections so if you were in their shoes do you think spending money on the NHS/Education/Police would win more votes than extra bus routes?

But now that we are outside the EU there is supposed to be extra money available which we aren't giving to the EU - why isn't that being spent on the left behind northern towns, or should it just be spaffed up the wall on vanity projects for London and the major cities?

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:15 am  

sally cinnamon wrote:

But now that we are outside the EU there is supposed to be extra money available which we aren't giving to the EU - why isn't that being spent on the left behind northern towns, or should it just be spaffed up the wall on vanity projects for London and the major cities?

They have only been in power since December we only stopped paying in to the EU two week ago - what do you expect? There will be a budget soon which no doubt will outline spending plans for the North. Better trains - having taken over Northern no doubt that will improve, more bus routes has been announced. The road network in the north is very well invested. If they move other government departments/operations up North like the ministry of justice - 200 jobs in Leeds surely that is an example - what more do what and in what timescale?