Re: Smith out ASAP : Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:51 pm  

KaeruJim wrote:

I realise I'm swimming against the tide even trying to post on this thread, and this forum generally at times.

If you take the 2, 3, 4, 5 out of most sides you'll see a negative impact on how they play, structure or no.

Are we particularly susceptible to this because of how RS coaches? Yes I can see the argument for that.

Also, Riley Lumb came in and basically won the game for us yesterday. I think if Fus was there instead, he wouldn't have scored those two tries. So yep, sometimes injuries work the other way...

Then again, did Smith's lack of "structure" stop Lumb slotting in seamlessly for his MoM performance? Again, some of you want your cake and to eat it too, because you'll take any situation and twist it to your "Smith out" narrative.

Couple of things from me and then I might duck out of at least this thread. 38 pages of moaning and repetition.

Firstly, Smith is clearly on the ropes and I suspect the signing of Frawley in particular might be his undoing. We just didn't have wiggle room for mistakes in signings after last year. Yesterday's game looked a little bit like a relegation battle which nobody wanted to see. Personally I think it's a real shame the way things are going, but it's obvious that he needs to turn this team around over the next month otherwise he might have to be cut mid-season. He has lost a fair chunk of the supporter base for whatever reasons and even a few wins now and I feel like he's on a hiding to nothing with many.

Secondly, whereas I can respect many people's opinion on here about RS, this forum and now the terraces has been overtaken by negativity and criticism ad nauseam. We can all see the club isn't where it should be. I don't know what the easy fix is to that and neither does anyone on here; what I do know is that the behaviour I saw yesterday reflects worse on the club than the performances do.

It's a game. I mean you do you, but flip me there are a LOT of people on this forum who can see clouds to every silver lining.

A one off performance loosing after loosing 2,3,4,5 is one thing but this hs been going on for months now. Even with fully fit sides. Players leave and once again look like good players for their new club. That's down to coaching

Re: Smith out ASAP : Mon Apr 29, 2024 9:22 pm  

I couldn't agree more with KaeruJim's long post.

Re: Frawley, I think there are glimpses of a good player in there, but he's taken on too much responsibility. With Miller suffering a massive nose dive in confidence, the spine need to work better to take the pressure off Frawley in some areas of his game that aren't working out, especially kicking. Frawley's a good defender (much better than Sezer, who had too many high shots in him, not to mention being very injury prone), and he actually breaks the line more than I expected when we signed him - again, we need better communication and support play when we're attacking to make the most of this.

Re: Smith out ASAP : Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:23 am  

KaeruJim wrote:

I realise I'm swimming against the tide even trying to post on this thread, and this forum generally at times.

If you take the 2, 3, 4, 5 out of most sides you'll see a negative impact on how they play, structure or no.

Are we particularly susceptible to this because of how RS coaches? Yes I can see the argument for that.

Also, Riley Lumb came in and basically won the game for us yesterday. I think if Fus was there instead, he wouldn't have scored those two tries. So yep, sometimes injuries work the other way...

Then again, did Smith's lack of "structure" stop Lumb slotting in seamlessly for his MoM performance? Again, some of you want your cake and to eat it too, because you'll take any situation and twist it to your "Smith out" narrative.

Couple of things from me and then I might duck out of at least this thread. 38 pages of moaning and repetition.

Firstly, Smith is clearly on the ropes and I suspect the signing of Frawley in particular might be his undoing. We just didn't have wiggle room for mistakes in signings after last year. Yesterday's game looked a little bit like a relegation battle which nobody wanted to see. Personally I think it's a real shame the way things are going, but it's obvious that he needs to turn this team around over the next month otherwise he might have to be cut mid-season. He has lost a fair chunk of the supporter base for whatever reasons and even a few wins now and I feel like he's on a hiding to nothing with many.

Secondly, whereas I can respect many people's opinion on here about RS, this forum and now the terraces has been overtaken by negativity and criticism ad nauseam. We can all see the club isn't where it should be. I don't know what the easy fix is to that and neither does anyone on here; what I do know is that the behaviour I saw yesterday reflects worse on the club than the performances do.

It's a game. I mean you do you, but flip me there are a LOT of people on this forum who can see clouds to every silver lining.

Don’t agree with the abuse directed at Smith, however it’s not unique to Leeds. Daryl Powells last season at Warrington was absolutely shocking. I am certainly not pursuing an anti Smith agenda but if i see rubbish on the field I am certainly going to comment on it. Just check out the available statistics which confirms my opinion we are struggling. On the other side of the coin if Smith turns the situation around I will be on here praising him. I really couldn’t give a tinkers cuss who coaches us, so long as we are reasonably successful. I had hoped for a top four spot this season without winning any silverware. A perfectly reasonable expectation, this club is one of biggest in super league after 3 seasons of Smith fifth or below is not acceptable..

Re: Smith out ASAP : Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:28 am  

all coaches get stick when they are failing badly. in any sport.
its just an effort to deflect attention from the crap being served up on the pitch

Re: Smith out ASAP : Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:30 am  

Looks like Jason Demetriou is free soon

Re: Smith out ASAP : Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:36 am  

It's clear RS has lost a lot of the fan base.
The London game should show if he's lost the players/ team.

He has to be able to get the team playing well for the majority of the 80mins in the majority of games.
No sign of that has occurred yet, albeit with certain mitigating circumstances.

If we win, it already feels like it's just papering over big cracks. If we lose then that will be another low point to deal with

[Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino]

Re: Smith out ASAP : Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:42 am  

Emagdnim13 wrote:

It's clear RS has lost a lot of the fan base.
The London game should show if he's lost the players/ team.

He has to be able to get the team playing well for the majority of the 80mins in the majority of games.
No sign of that has occurred yet, albeit with certain mitigating circumstances.

If we win, it already feels like it's just papering over big cracks. If we lose then that will be another low point to deal with

Genuine question - When was the last time Leeds put in a full 80mins?
I cant remember when we have - I reckon it was under him on our run to the GF.

Re: Smith out ASAP : Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:54 am  

Dave Furner might be caretaker coach at Souths if Demetriou goes...

Re: Smith out ASAP : Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:08 pm  

Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino wrote:

Genuine question - When was the last time Leeds put in a full 80mins?
I cant remember when we have - I reckon it was under him on our run to the GF.

Years. But I did say majority and not full. Playing well to good for 60 mins will see more wins than losses

[Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino]

Re: Smith out ASAP : Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:07 pm  

Emagdnim13 wrote:

Years. But I did say majority and not full. Playing well to good for 60 mins will see more wins than losses

Sorry, I didnt mean it to sound like I was demanding an answer from you , it was more of a genuine opine about how lax (IMHO) we've become accustomed to.

I agree 60 mins would usually lead to a lot more wins but I cant say we are even anywhere near that level which is appalling.